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Initial post: 6 Apr 2013 18:36:35 BDT
D. Climo says:
About a decade ago a few popular franchises (Texas Chainsaw, Batman etc) ended up getting remade or rebooted. Fair enough as both those films aren't bad. However because of the idea of taking these two franchises worked there now seems to be a reboot coming out each week. Is the Film Industry running out of ideas?

Posted on 6 Apr 2013 18:43:59 BDT
"in a word YES", they have ran out of ideas ! Some re-boots have been ok, eg- DREDD, TOTAL RECALL, SPIDERMAN,

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 13:16:54 BDT
MAMA says:
i'm waiting to watch the Evil Dead remake

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 17:11:34 BDT
frogg says:
No such thing as an original idea anymore. The amount of different takes I'v seen of "Sherlock Holmes" lately is crazy, didnt know so many had been made. Saying that each offers it up a little differently so not compleatly the same drivel. Wonder in about 50+,years they'll try remaking stuff that us 90s-00s kids grew up with?

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 19:52:15 BDT
D. Climo says:
Scream 4 was a reboot as well as a sequel. The style of the killings mildly imitate the killings in Scream 1. For example the 2nd murder in the film. Its just the motive is completely different. The Amazing Spiderman was a reboot that took a few too many ideas from the original. Bad guy is a scientist who becomes a green themed villain after tampering with genetics. Spidey and villain fight on bridge. What will happen in the sequel? Electro's going to use a gigantic electric to draw power from the sun?

Posted on 7 Apr 2013 20:14:57 BDT
Its not that people don't have any new ideas, Its just that Hollywood won't give those people any money. Spending Money on A Remake/ Reboot/ Sequel is less of a risk than Basing a film on A new Idea.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Apr 2013 20:19:46 BDT
'Wonder in about 50+,years they'll try remaking stuff that us 90s-00s kids grew up with?'

There Already Remaking Stuff from the 90s.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 10:11:42 BDT
Like M.F. Hauxwell said, there will always be new ideas. Unfortunately however, Hollywood know what works and makes bucket loads of money and they won't often take risks with the unknown.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 11:13:34 BDT
I had a bit of a strop at reboots a few months back, but having thought about it we have had quite a few good ones, so i guess its not all bad. I mean my favourite film ever is a reboot: Casino Royale 2006, not to mention Batman Begins, The Amazing Spider-Man, Dredd and i must say The Evil Dead looks very interesting too.

So i guess its not all bad, mind you I do agree a bit more orginality in cinema would be nice. Also if the The Crow ever gets remade (as the keep rumouring about) I wil be on the war path with reboots/remakes once again, same goes for jaws.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 13:11:08 BDT
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Wayne says:
Trouble is the cinema experiance is dead yet Hollywood seem to still think box office receipts is the only way to make money.

What I mean is look at the endless stream of not only remakes and reboots but also sequels. Any film that makes even a tiny profit is suddenly announced as part of a trilogy or a franchise is suddenly born. Worse still, most films these days are watered down so much to get lower ratings o that kids can pester their parents to go to the cinema. Look at the recent die hard film, a 12a. Well yippee ki a muthaf..... Same as die hard 4. The first two are 18 certificates. Taken 2, 12a in the cinema 15 on blu ray but the original was an 18.

These days with the advancement of technology people can have pretty good home cinema set ups for a fraction of what they used to cost. I've just bought a new onkyo amp for 250. The same type with the same features 5/6 years ago would have cost nearly a 1,000. My tv bought last year, 40" Samsung series 6 3d with 3d blu ray player 799. That's just over 1,000 total spend for a set up that brings the cinema experiance alive in my home.

Why would I want to go to the cinema and listen to noisy people playing with their phone and pay nearly 10 for some popcorn and a drink on top of the ticket price.

I tried getting back into the event of the cinema by getting one if those ciniworld unlimited cards but after a few months I hardly use it now. Sick and tired of seeing films I like the look of being watered down 12 certs knowing the 'harder cut' will be available on blu ray to tempt m to double dip.

The sooner Hollywood realises the cinema experiance is dead and theirs more money to be made in home releases the sooner we can start seeing more originality. Unfortunately until Hollywood wakes up to this we will see endless reboots/remakes all watered down as they have an existing fan base. Some of these reboots have been good but most are fluff.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 15:34:17 BDT
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You make some good points there Wayne.

Interesting what you say about ratings, although with the Die Hard examples im not sure the non swearing was for ratings. I mean you can seem to be able to swear in any rating these days, even Skyfall had the F word in it. But i do have to agree Die hards sudden lack of swearing is puzzling especially in no. 4 ? why the hell as John Mclane suddenly become Mr Angel mouth ?

(btw I thought Die Hard 2 was 15??, mind you I have seen 2 versions both retail with very different levels of swearing ???)

In regards to ratings on the whole I do agree "18" rated films are rarity these days, now wether thats down to lighter rules on classifcation these days or the film content im not sure. Either way there is no denying is having an 18 rating can affect the box office a film. Look at Dredd, a brilliant film that really didnt do much in the cinema sadly. That dared to be an 18 and paid the price, so much so sequel has been cancelled.

Its all wrong , i prefer 18's in the cinema .....no bloody kids!

"The sooner Hollywood realises the cinema experiance is dead and theirs more money to be made in home releases the sooner we can start seeing more originality"

i agree with this wholeheartedly, just wait until 3D fails again then they may realise its beyond saving.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 16:13:23 BDT
"I mean you can seem to be able to swear in any rating these days"

The Transformers movie (original one from the 80's) is a U and one of the guys in it says s h i t.

"In regards to ratings on the whole I do agree "18" rated films are rarity these days, now wether thats down to lighter rules on classifcation these days or the film content im not sure."

I don't thinm it's lighter rules on the classifications but the introduction of the 12A certificate, before that you just had 12, 15 and 18. Under that system there's not much point going for a 15 certificate because 15, 16 & 17 YO's going to the cinema is quite a narrow range of people and secondly a fair few of them would get into an 18 anyway. Now they've replaced 15 with 12A and a 12A allows anyone in (as long as there's an adult with the younger kids) it increases the range of people massively, so it's a much bigger target for the studios to water down the films to get to a 12A.

Posted on 8 Apr 2013 20:05:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2013 20:36:08 BDT
I'm sorry, I hate that argument that suddenly justifies a remake because the subsequent film turns out to be okay. Total Recall remake for example (the original a stone cold classic) is a bit of unremarkable action film-making that cost ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. That's a lot of money to make something unremarkable. And a lot of money not to create something with originality. We could have had a whole new film experience, an original new story, a new iconic set of characters. But no. I like the new Spiderman film and in many ways think it's better than Raimi's Spiderman but I still think it's pointless (for $230 mil). I would have much preferred that money used to give me something new. However I am able to see that I'm probably in the minority. Why? Because they still get made. There's a market for them that allows $230 mil to be spent on them. Unless we say that the people who buy/watch these remakes are sheep and will watch any old slop (I'm not btw) then we have to say they WANT it. So you could argue that the big studios have run out of ideas or you could say they've targeted exactly what the public want and are giving it to them.

I think what we are seeing not only in films but also in video games is the writers have stopped reading books. I don't mean in that they're not making film adaptation of books. So what happens is they take their references and understanding of plot structure, depth of character etc from television and films. Their experience of what they're writing about comes only from TV and film (With the exception of Michael Bay who takes his entire reference point from porn). Once this happens it's inevitable that the industry (the big studios) begin to eat itself.

There's also an argument here that might subsequently suggest that the people who watch these films don't read books any more themselves. Their experience is also coming only from tv/film. (When I say experience I'm not talking about life)

I do feel sometimes remakes are possibly a good thing if the makers expand or put a new interpretation on the original. For example The Magnificent Seven, Twelve Monkeys, The Fly and Scarface. And I can't completely hate the idea of remakes if one of my favourite films of all time is a remake: Heat. I still love Mann's original made-for-tv L.A. Takedown (I prefer the ending) but you can see how much tighter the film is.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Apr 2013 21:35:34 BDT
whoa whoa calm down there Tetro, I never said the odd good film justifies hundreds of remakes and reboots, i was just saying they are not all bad and souless.

Surely you cant argue with the Batman Begins example? its spawned the greatest film trilogy in over a decade! ... IF reboots where banned or ignored by all you wouldn't of ever had this masterpiece trilogy?

I dont particularly care how much a film costs to make, just how much it costs me and to me Amazing Spider-man was worth every penny of 15 for it on BR.

Lets also not pretend remakes are new thing, cause they are not, as you have pointed out there are some classics.

ACTUALLY your last paragraph pretty much says the exact same thing as my whole post, you just quote older films and as much as I love Heat, Casino Royale is the better film IMO.

Also no one ever said Total Recall should of been made. ; )

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 03:35:26 BDT
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Yeah sorry Bauer, just read my post back, didn't mean to come across so aggressively. Weirdly or maybe hypocritically I don't count comic book adaptations. Personally I could do with less, mainly because I feel like we're hitting over saturation.

The reason I brought the budget of these films into it is because that's money that could be directed elsewhere. In the case of Total Recall I can't help thinking what if the original had never been made because the budget had been redirected to making a glossy but not very inspiring remake of something else. Maybe we're missing out on this generations Total Recall (I'm making Total Recall sound like the pinnacle of film-making lol).

There's also remakes of foreign films that just annoy me. If you can't be bothered to read subtitles or expand your viewing habits to include foreign films then jog on. Instead we get an insipid Hollywood remake. I'm curious is this an American thing? Do many Russian/Italian/French/German etc film makers remake American films for example? You see a lot of films crossing one way over the Atlantic I'm curious does it go the other way too.

Also I'm curious if anybody feels that a remake diminishes the memory of the original? The way some things you feel should remain sacred and not be touched.

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 08:02:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Apr 2013 08:46:40 BDT
Wayne says:
The thing is, with remakes they've been going on for a long time. I just think we are reaching the age where we actually remember the original film.

What I mean is stuff like total recall (a total arnie classic and one of his best) and robocop where amazing films when I first saw them back in the day. They are two of my favourite films so to me it feels like sacrilege to remake them as they still stand up today. I actually thought thought the total recall remake was pretty good. It was diffetent enough to the original for me to enjoy them as seperate films.

When I was younger I watched tons of remakes but as I was too young to remember the original I never gave it a second thought. John carpenters the thing is one of my all time favourite films, it's a remake of a 1950's low budget sci if film. Never knew about the original till years later. Heat as Tetro mentioned is another favourite, mainly for the powerhouse acting from the two leads and the supporting cast and for the unique atmosphere Michael Mann always injects into his films. Never knew it was a remake till well after I saw heat (I've now seen la takedown and its good but heat totally trounces it).

There's loads more examples I could dig out but I think it's just our age now that means remakes are happening of films we knew/grew up with that skews our opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 08:53:22 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Apr 2013 08:53:48 BDT
"The thing is, with remakes they've been going on for a long time. I just think we are reaching the age where we actually remember the original film."

I completely agree Wayne, I never even knew Carpenters The Thing was remake for years. But now films are being made from childhood (yes i was 12 when I first watched The Arnie classic) its starting to grate.

Tetro, i agree with everything you say, especially remakes that are made to just so dumb people dont need to read subtitles.

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 09:04:02 BDT
Wayne says:
Don't knock all foreign film remakes guys. I watched the original girl with a dragon tattoo and despite the fact I hadn't read the books I was able to spot at least two major points that seemed rushed and skipped over. My girlfriend has read the books and when I questioned her she agreed with me and said the points I raised were covered in more detail in the book and made more sense.

The David fincher remake with Daniel Craig is far better and and a much more detailed representation of the book. My only gripe with the remake is that it was still set in Sweden which made no sense given the American/British cast. Non of them even attempted an accent lol.

I also preferred the grudge and the ring remakes. Yes the Japanese originals oozed atmosphere and chills but the acting was appalling and nearly ruined the films for me. Naomi watts was is a decent actress and really suited the ring films.

On a side note for those that don't mind foreign films check out dead snow. Absolutely hilarious, kind of like a Norwegian Shaun of the dead set in the alps.

Oh and despite the Swedish original of let the right one in being utterly superb I recently watched the American remake and it's very good. Almost on par I'd say.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Apr 2013 11:06:03 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Apr 2013 11:06:20 BDT
On the whole tho Wayne reamke just to put them in English are rather pointless, The Grudge is a good remake granted, but loses some of the scares in translation.

I have only seen the Fincher Girl with Dragon Tattoo so hard to comment but you are the first person I have heard who prefered the remake?

I guess there will alwyas be exceptions to every rule, but most as I said foreign remakes are rather pointless and usually lost something in translation, see REC/Quarrantine for proof of this.

Posted on 9 Apr 2013 12:33:55 BDT
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Wayne says:
Most foreign remakes exist because not many people in english speaking countries have ever heard of some of these films. take the Ring, massive hit in Japan and anyone with a passing interest in horror would have heard of it yet when the american remake was made most of my mates and family had never heard of it before lol. They actually thought I was taking the pee when I said it was made in Japan first.

Unless your a bit of a film fan most people know nothing of films outside of adverts on TV and whats playing at the local cinema. Also a lot of foreign films are low budget and lack the funds to really market it outside of its home country.

With regards to the dragon tattoo film a lot of my mates and my girlfriend prefer the fincher remake. I know it's only my opinion but anyone who says the swedish original is better is just a snobby film fan who thinks if something is in a foreign language it must be the artistic better choice which isn't always true.

Posted on 10 Apr 2013 23:05:18 BDT
J. Pike says:
I think initially the intention was amicable, think of how many older films you've seen and wondered what they might look like now?

I also agree that now its gone mental. The problem is not a lack of ideas but production companies reluctance to risk losing money.

That said I will be going to watch the Evil Dead remake when that comes out so I am actively funding the Hollywood remake machine. Ill make it up by writing an original script that will later become a classic and then remade.......my grand kids will then watch that one and say its better.

Posted on 28 Apr 2013 15:43:59 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Apr 2013 15:45:03 BDT
Avatouir says:
The Evil Dead remake definitely shows how it should be done (if at all obviously). Firstly it has enough of the original to show it IS an Evil Dead film, the trap door, the creeping camera through the woods etc. Yet the opening scene has nothing to do with the original. It does add to the general plot though and gives something new rather than a complete carbon copy. Plus there are subtle changes to bring the franchise up-to date. Also it has the right rating of 18 but whilst it is quite gory in places it still has atmosphere and build up rather than non-stop splatter. I never got to see the original on a big screen so it was a good thing that the ED remake was done so well. I would recommend it on BD

Posted on 28 Apr 2013 17:55:29 BDT
Wayne says:
I'm looking forward to seeing the evil dead remake. Big fan of the original trilogy. I was disappointed that there's no Bruce Campbell (apart from a very brief after credits cameo) but seeing as its him and sam raimi producing I'm expecting good things.

I know it's not strictly on topic but talking of old classic horror films I watched the arrow films blu ray release of the 1980's Italian horror classic Demons today. Scared the crap out of me when I was younger as did its sequel. Arrow films have done an amazing job on the blu ray, not only with a fantasic remaster job on the picture but the whole package is a horror fans wet dream. Arrow are really becoming the best company around for respecting old horror classics.

Would like to see Demons remade with a bigger budget and using up to date effects (not too much cgi though). Only if it was made with lamberto Bava and Dario Argento steering the ship though.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Apr 2013 19:39:21 BDT
Avatouir says:
Yeah as I said seen ED on the big screen and it certainly did not disappoint. In fact hardly any patrons left the theatre until said cameo appeared. Gonna pre-order the BR as soon as poss. I can say it has a lot of the spirit of the old film if not the humour.
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