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Initial post: 28 Jan 2014 23:02:09 GMT
With the Oscars coming next month, i would just like to know from you, what are the...

Films that should not have won?

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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014 15:05:25 GMT
0/1. ******* TROLLSX-(

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014 16:56:39 GMT
marked you up Kev mate, but I have to say I have little to no interest in the Oscars, in world where James Camerons Titanic can win 11 of the bloody things they have no meaning to me ; )

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jan 2014 18:27:39 GMT
Cheers for that Bauer;). I knew someone had to mention Titanic in regards of the amount of awards it won but did not deserve, that's kind of why i started this forum.

Posted on 30 Jan 2014 21:41:13 GMT
Just looking on Heat's IMDB page at the awards part and noticed it was only nominated for 2 Oscars.

How the hell was such a fine film only nominated for 2 Oscars and to cap it all didn't even win either of them.

It might of been because of The english (bleedin) patient but i'm not to sure if that film was the winner in 97.

Posted on 31 Jan 2014 03:21:38 GMT
It's a good discussion topic but in general I just think the Oscar's are one massive Hollywood circle jerk. As self promotion goes it's just beaten by Paris Hilton. A place where the question "Who are you wearing?" is the most important question. Where the presenter will make some in-jokes, the audience will laugh just to prove they're all in the circle. The camera will cut to Jack Nicholson sat like a finely quaffed toad all boated with leather skin laughing like some fertility talisman.

Just a look back at past winners and I get irritated. The best picture winner that winds me up the most is Crash, I don't know why (other than I actively hate the film).

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jan 2014 08:50:15 GMT
That's my point Kevin, most of the films I love are far too low brow to be considered Oscar worthy, prentious crap.

I believe Al Pacino has never won an Oscar, I mean wtf is that about !

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jan 2014 16:00:35 GMT
Bauer

I hope you didn't think i was being sarcastic, i wasn't:). I agree with what you say about Titanic and that is exactly why i started the thread, i wanted to see what people's thoughts were about the awards.

Tetro

I agree with you totally about the anoying 'who are you wearing' questions from tv interviewers.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 01:22:04 GMT
I know what you mean Bauer but Oscar winners aren't really high-brow either. They like films that are "worthy" (what a horrible phrase), or films that pat each other on the back. Argo winning last year sort of sums it up for me. Or films that encapsulate the myth of or idea of what Hollywood is (or at least used to be) and the sort of films it made. I mean The King's Speech beat Inception, Social Network, Black Swan and Toy Story 3. I just have to shake my head and say it's not for me.

Saying that though I would have thought there's a few films this year you'd like Bauer. Gravity, Captain Philips and Wolf of Wall Street (okay not exactly low brow) but I'd thought you'd like all those three.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 10:43:21 GMT
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Posted on 1 Feb 2014 11:29:17 GMT
Colin firth is an Academy member so thats why he won. That's where the problem lies, too many members who put 'worthy' before 'truly deserving'.

Also i find it strange that the likes of Spielberg, Cormen and Burton are members but then you get the kind of films these three don't tend to make very often especially Cormen, always winning the damn things.

Posted on 5 Mar 2014 02:09:28 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 02:17:12 GMT
Did anybody watch the Oscars or have an opinion about who won or lost?

Gravity won a lot of awards but I'm still not sure about it. Somebody wrote a few days before the awards that it's reshaping film. A few critics have said similar stuff but I can't for the life of me work out what that means. As a big screen 3D visual experience Gravity is really really good. It reminded me of the early IMAX stuff I saw years ago, films that showed planet Earth or beneath the ocean. The story though is pretty ropy if I'm honest, it's filled with cliche's, and makes me wonder how it'll translate into 2D and then onto the small screen and finally onto iPads and tablets. So none of this is a bad thing, but i don't understand why critics rave about this but didn't so much with films like Titanic and Avatar that I'd suggest are comparable. And i still don't see how the technique in making Gravity can translate into a broader range of films for critics to claim it's reshaping film.

How The Act of Killing didn't win best documentary is simply beyond me. It's just one of the most astonishing pieces of film-making I've ever seen, I find it very very hard to believe 20ft from Fame is anywhere near as good. I haven't watched the later so maybe I'm wrong.

Having recorded it and then watched most with the fast forward button pressed down I have to say the whole ceremony feels really tired. I don't know how they can do it but it seriously needs revamping. The whole sharing pizzas and the selfies were just toe-curling and horrible IMO. Some of the older celebrities have had so much work done to their faces that when the camera pans around or they walk onto the stage it just looks like a freak show. Fascinating thought that the insular culture of the celebrity means that the only mirror to their lives is that of other celebrities. The shifting perception of normality leaving their only reference each other. Lets see where that ends.

And i know these people earn immoral amounts of money (and then have the cheek to give out humanitarian awards) but surely $85,000 for a gift bag is just wrong.

Posted on 5 Mar 2014 03:45:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 03:46:29 GMT
The documentary that should've won the Oscar was Blackfish and it wasn't even nominated. Directed by a woman so I suppose it was never going to get far :/

The Oscars are a big love-in and a total joke these days. Films shouldn't have to "campaign" to be nominated for an Oscar - all films should automatically be entered into the running and the results chosen by the public, not a corrupt panel of filmmakers who often have a hand in the movies that win. I'm not a big fan of awards ceremonies in general though - celebrities been given 'goodie bags' this year worth in excess of £80k when there's people dying the world over from starvation/disease/etc just disgusts me

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 10:57:41 GMT
"Saying that though I would have thought there's a few films this year you'd like Bauer. Gravity, Captain Philips and Wolf of Wall Street (okay not exactly low brow) but I'd thought you'd like all those three"

Ive not seen those Tetro ill have to have a look see.

I am probably off base calling the Oscars pretentious, it is just they way they come across to me that's all. I know I am generalising there are films I love that won Oscars. But on the whole the award's be Bafta, Oscars etc bore me, I don't really have any interest. in them.

I do love any post written by Kevin though so I like to comment ; )

(btw Kevin bud im just catching up on this thread, so I just saw your comment, but of course I didn't find your comment sarcastic)

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 11:07:44 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 11:09:32 GMT
I'm glad you didn't mate:)

On the Oscars, Paul cliff suggested letting the public vote for the best film of the year, can you imagine what kinds of films the public would vote for, you would possibly or probably have a film like Twilight or The fast & the furious win the award. The horror>:/

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 11:13:41 GMT
LOL True, but I would have much more interest in seeing what Joe Public has enjoyed best, than what a load pretentious prats say I should of liked best.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 11:40:36 GMT
It would be like a cross between the nickolodean awards and the Mtv movie awards but yeah i agree about the "load of pretenious prats say i should of liked best":)

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 12:48:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 12:57:43 GMT
Sorry as I said I shouldn't really call them pretentious, I am sure there are number of reasons The English Patient (9 Oscars) is better film and more worthy to receive awards than The Dark Knight (2 Oscars). I just can't see them myself. ; )

btw I just picked those films at random, I was kind of hoping TDK didn't win any to help prove my point, but it did.

Still you get the gist lol

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 13:14:38 GMT
Hitchcock & Ledger are ignored when alive but then are awarded when they are at the end of their powers(hitchcock) and no longer here(ledger)

I hate it when the Oscar lot do that:( they feel some kind of obligation to award them, because maybe they realised they were wrong or more likely, they are just crass:)

Posted on 5 Mar 2014 13:29:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 13:31:20 GMT
Shazzerman says:
Well Bauer, AL Pacino DID win an Oscar (although he shouldn't have - in this particular case) for "Scent of a Woman". His best ever performance just happened to go up against an iconic performance from one Jack Nicholson in 1975: Sonny Versus RP - a close call. The only time the Oscars get it right is when a particularly good film just happens to align itself with the Oscar voters ideologically-shaped liberal agenda or is a very subtle piece of populist manipulation.
For me, "Gravity" is a better film than "12 Years a Slave" (which actually changed a lot of its source text, and is not, contrary to popular opinion, very respectful of that source text).
The only scene you need to see in "The Wolf of Wall Street" (to realise that we are actually supposed to give these awful characters a pass) is the one showing Belfort change his mind about leaving his company (to save his own skin) after his female employee tells us how great he is for giving her a job that allowed her to con people out of money and put her child through college. Scorsese, you smiling sell-out: you've lost it (last great film: "Casino" in 1995)
So, let's have a look (and always with William Munny's "deserves got nuthin' to do with it" in the back of our minds):

2013: GRAVITY better than 12 YEARS A SLAVE
2012: AMOUR better than ARGO (poor contenders this year overall)
2011: THE TREE OF LIFE better than THE ARTIST (the former a bold "experiment"; the latter a feel-good "throwback" to an age it clearly doesn't get - watch any Murnau, Keaton, Borzage, even Chaplin, to see what I mean)
2010: THE KING'S SPEECH is pretty good; THE SOCIAL NETWORK, INCEPTION, and WINTER'S BONE are better
2009: UP all the way; THE HURT LOCKER might come in second (although, despite Cameron's penchant for really terrible screenplays, AVATAR was some achievement and perhaps should have one on a "technicality")
2008: Oh boy: poverty and flashy editing - no thanks. MILK better than SLUMDOG, by miles
2007: THERE WILL BE BLOOD better than NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. Period.
2006: THE DEPARTED is ugly (and I don't just mean all those actors struggling to "Bostonise" their line readings); let's have some LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA please
2005: Not the tapestry of awfulness some of the more "clued-in" "critics" would have us believe, but CRASH was still not as good as BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN (or CAPOTE, for that matter)
2004: On the fence a bit here: MILLION DOLLAR BABY is a right manipulative piece of work in the end, but I liked it a lot. I also liked THE AVIATOR (particularly its tricks with colour). But maybe SIDEWAYS deserved it this year. Not sure.
2003: Yeah, give it to THE RETURN OF THE KING, why don't ye? Certainly a major achievement. LOST IN TRANSLATION pleased me more.
2002: THE PIANIST is better than CHICAGO by a factor of...well, a lot!
2001: Oh please: a (less-than) beautiful lie... I would have given it to the best of the RINGS films this year.
2000: GLADIATOR is old-school; TRAFFIC is the better film.

Tune in next time, when I will take you through the 80s and 90s.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 14:01:05 GMT
Yeah I just read earlier Pacino did win that one Oscar, just 1 tho tut tut.

Mind you my mate argues is not a great Actor, he just shouts really well ! .. lol hard to argue !

Posted on 5 Mar 2014 14:14:49 GMT
Shazzerman says:
Naw, it is easy to argue. It is only recently that the shouty Pacino has taken centre stage. While he does a bit of shouting in "Dog Day Afternoon" (to my mind, his best screen acting), he is playing a role that demands it every now and again to make his portrayal plausible. "Scarecrow", "Panic in Needle Park", "The Godfather", "Godfather II", Bobby Deerfield" - all those films called for subtlety in his acting. One of his last really great performances was as Ricky Roma in "Glengarry Glen Ross"; in this role Pacino DID have to let fly once or twice, but you can see that is still coming from a very controlled performance (ditto, to a lesser extent, in "The Insider").

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 14:19:43 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 14:26:37 GMT
Love Pacino in Glenn garry, the scene where he confronts Kevin spacy's character. Brilliant;)

His character in Heat is very SHOUTY, but again that was for a reason, which as someone i think on here mentioned, that his character was originally written has having a cocaine habit.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 14:41:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Mar 2014 14:41:57 GMT
Hey I love Pacino and do fight that argument really.

My fav bit in Heat is when he comes home to find another man in his house who is sat watching TV after what we assume is sleeping with his wife

"I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bull___ house if you want to. But you do not get to watch MY ******** TELEVISION SET!"

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 14:56:13 GMT
Yeah love that scene and then theres the "she's gotta GREAT @SS" line:)

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