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Posted on 25 Jun 2012 18:05:31 BDT
we have U, PG, 12A, 12, 15 & 18

Prometheus was a 15.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 18:12:13 BDT
Dukeshire says:
That is a lot of ratings! Must be a hassle for your MPAA (Motion Picture Association) to place a movie. We get controversies all the time about whether a movie should be PG13 or R. Oh and we have rated "G" which is your "U."

Posted on 26 Jun 2012 03:49:42 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Jun 2012 04:17:40 BDT
I think my problem lies in that I find it hard to judge all films equally. If Prometheus had come out of nowhere, directed by some unknown with a bunch of lesser known actors and had no connection with Alien I probably wouldn't judge it so harshly. But because of all the weight of talent attached and money spent on it my critical side sharpens up. I'm not saying it hasn't got its many flaws but if it was some random film I'd probably be more forgiving.

I have a sick fondness for films like Crank, Gamer and District 13. They in no way are great films but you get what it says on the tin. They tell us, we're going to give you hyper-real action, amphetamine fuelled plots and cool stunts... and that's exactly what they give us. Prometheus was sold as an intelligent science fiction film and it just isn't. I feel less frustrated with AvP (a film I hate btw) than Prometheus because all they promised was a film with aliens and predators in it.

I'd love to know how the writers got this gig. How at no point anybody with influence went, "Hold on people, seriously, we're filming this?! We're spending millions on this project, just had a glance at the script is it implode or explode? Because I got this cheap dictionary and I'm pretty sure it should read "Why has his head exploded?" Nope, okay, you're the writer, that's why we pay you the big bucks. Not a scientist myself, but it seems pretty much everything they do is very unscientific like, in fact they act a little borderline retarded. Oh okay, I get it you're going for the broad strokes, the stereotypes, you don't want to get bogged down in facts. That's cool, just wasn't sure. And the whole aliens created us, we worshipped aliens, painted them on cave walls, Jesus was an alien hybrid, I'm just making sure you've not got your 10 year old child writing this?"

A few years ago I started and became a little addicted by Tarkovsky. I have a habit of doing this, in my teens it was Lynch. Anyway a couple of his films deal with science fiction in a way I'd love to have seen done by an Alien film. They have a subtly and maturity that delve straight to the core of humanity.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jun 2012 04:18:58 BDT
Dukeshire says:
I cannot disagree with anything you said. I love "lowbrow" entertainment: Crank and D9 and Riddick and Jet Li and anything under the sun, even "abominations" like Transformers and GI Joe.

I do get the criticisms of Prometheus. I just did not think too much while watching it, and I need to re-watch it. It is written by the guy who wrote Lost. I never saw the show but here it started great and then de-railed. He wrote himself into a corner, and I see that with this movie.

I was a huge Lynch fan in the early 90s. Dune is still one of my favorite movies.

Posted on 26 Jun 2012 04:46:20 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Jun 2012 04:53:24 BDT
"Dune is still one of my favorite movies."

A very underrated film imo. I know the production was a little fraught (in some versions Lynch has used the infamous pseudonym Alan Smithee) and funnily somewhere in the previous attempts to make this film by Jodorowsky Dan O'Bannon was involved but it got cancelled and he found himself homeless. As he subsequently tried to get back on his feet he wrote Alien. It all links! Also Jodorowsky hired Giger for set design which were also still involved in the production when he left and Ridley Scott came on board briefly.

I would have been interested though to seeing what Jodorowsky's Dune would have been like. Dali and Orson Wells were to be in it.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jun 2012 05:11:18 BDT
Dukeshire says:
I do recall hearing all that with the writer of Alien. Lynch got saddled with so much baggage making that film. Worse than Fincher and Alien 3. But the production values hold up today. For whatever reason I enjoy the theatrical release more because it flows smoother and does not have all that unnecessary narration.

I would have liked more of Gurney and Duncan. More of Sting (Who I thought did a great job) on Geidi Prime. The characters could have been fleshed out more. More time prior to the Harkonnen invasion as the Atreides settle. But you can't have everything. All things being equal a Lynch 190 minute version would be awesome. Or a two parter like Potter.

Posted on 28 Jun 2012 14:27:46 BDT
Wobblybob says:
Just been to see it and loved the special effects. Thought the storyline pretty weak and could have been so much better.

Posted on 28 Jun 2012 14:53:05 BDT
i don't think the story is weak - it just has massive gaps and is therefore totally all over the place. not saying you're wrong mate; i guess i'm biased cos i just love the film - altho i can deffo recognise the flaws. the story just leaves *too* much for the viewer to figure out - which is very rare and almost as bad as spoon-feeding everything. if the editors/studio didn't cut so much out to squeeze the film just under 2 hours then it wouldv'e been so much better

i don't even know why studios do it - some of the biggest/most successful films at the cinema are absolutely epic, (in terms of running time), i.e. any othe LOTR films, most of the potter films, titanic!! etc etc...there's no need to come in under 2 hours!

so looking forward to the extended edition on the blu-ray :)

Posted on 28 Jun 2012 16:48:45 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jun 2012 16:52:10 BDT
"the story just leaves *too* much for the viewer to figure out"

No offence but it's not just the "gaps". It's the helmet on, off, on, off, "Should we be doing this in an alien environment? Ah whatever." I'm a geologist, but I'm not interested in rocks, I'm only here for the money. I'm a two dimensional cold corporate character, done a LOT better by Paul Reiser I'm terrified of the smallest thing. Then confronted with something I should actually be scared of I'm all super calm. That's a weird head, lets mess about with it like we're school kids and it's a dead frog, not scientists on a MULTI-MILLION dollar expedition. I'm an android who makes weird faces WHEN THERE'S NOBODY IN THE ROOM!!!! Just had surgery that cut through stomach muscle, bish-bash-bosh staple you right up. "And I'm ready to run about?" "Yep, good to go." "Nobody's going to question that, right?" "Ah we'll just say it's future science, it's like magic." ie bollox.
And the whole reason behind the Alien's makes no sense. I can go on and on. It's not a bad film it's that it isn't a very good one that disappoints me. Because of the link I can't help but compare it to Alien and Aliens and in every way it's left lacking. Plus I've seen better stories done better in programs like X-Files (and there's a nagging story from X-Files that's very similar to one in Prometheus.) Why? Chariots of the Gods. A book debunked by scientists for being pseudo-scientific but I admit it does make good copy for screen-writing hacks.

And the sfx are good but what happened to the Alien. I understand why they are what they are and not what we expect but just the design is a bit, meh. Think of the pods, face hugger to xenomorph of the first, they were properly cool designs.

I'm sure the MD have chemical labs scattered about the country, I'm pretty sure they don't have invitations drawn on Taliban cave walls with their locations.

If you like it, that's cool, I just don't buy the whole Ridley was pushed by the studios to cut it under two hours as a reason for the many problems with it. On a side note I think it would have been much more interesting (and daring) if Ridley had made a film done entirely from the Engineer's perspective and we'd returned with him to his home world, and dialogue/communication done with us needing to read subtitles. Maybe showing how they were first introduced to the xenomorphs (forgetting the premise of Prometheus). With a good writer they could have created the engineers as an entirely unique civilisation/race and then given them real depth.

Posted on 28 Jun 2012 16:55:53 BDT
R. Woolmer says:
tetrominoe- I totally agree, What i hate the most is the whole film revolves around god/aliens creating life on earth-so why the heck did they end up wanting to bump us off? you see noomi flying off to ask the next bunch of aliens, I just totally thought "what the hell was the point"

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2012 20:42:38 BDT
I couldn't agree more with hoopla post ... Still I couldn't bring myself to dislike the film. But it's not even in the same league as Alien, Aliens and Even Alien 3 ....... It's possibly better resurrection tho

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 15:37:56 BDT
Resurrections beuaty is the first half hour - then it progressively goes downhill. The aliens and the queen look so fantastic in that film!

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 16:39:20 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jun 2012 16:39:53 BDT
Resurrections problem is it kills the best actors/characters off too quickly and we are then stuck with Winona Ryder and Ron Pearlman ; ).

The Aliens did look pretty good, except when they are swimming they look like they are smiling ? its weird !

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 17:07:43 BDT
Ron perlman is a legend! Blade 2, hellboy, conans dad in the new remake and many other cool roles.

Posted on 29 Jun 2012 21:58:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jun 2012 22:09:05 BDT
Nah he is not for me mate, He is the same in everything he is in. He does suit Hellboy I enjoyed that but everything else he just cheapens and makes too cheesy, IMO of course

Posted on 30 Jun 2012 03:55:44 BDT
T says:
Police Academy 7 - Perlman was a legend in that movie, making it just about watchable (him and Leslie Easterbrooks chest, that is)!! :-D

Posted on 30 Jun 2012 11:53:41 BDT
RE: alien resurrection

the film is terrible, but with some cool scenes and special effects. the ps1 game of the same name is awesome tho! sheet scary, best aliens based game ever. if aliens colonial marines even gets close to alien resurrection the game then i'll be a happy bunny :)

Posted on 30 Jun 2012 13:40:05 BDT
Just wanted to say.. i loved the big plaque of the Alien on the wall inside the room with the giant head. Looks like one of H.R Gigar's original pieces? so spooky looking :) Would love to buy that

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 17:51:48 BDT
Woolmer... While watching it I had a vision of Rapace turning up on the Engineers homeworld and shouting " Just what the HELL are you playing at! We travel millions of miles to......" and then they pull her head off.

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 18:46:46 BDT
DKL says:
This is the cinematic sequel. Once it's released on Bluray you can expect a couple of more scenes to fill in the gaps:

Dr Shaw walks out of the spaceship dressed in a military uniform, chewing tobacco and has a very grim look on her scarred face.

"What in tar nation is goin' on 'ere!", she shouts.

One of the Engineers, celebrating someone's creation and is dressed in a holiday costume comes driving along in something that is best described as a pink golf cart:

"Greetings 'uman bean. I am Engineer Sfsaeearnk. Sorry for the little misunderstanding earlier. We come in pea..."

The Engineer doesn't have time to finish the sentence. Shaw picks up the biggest revolver known to man and at point blank range shoots off the engineer's head in a cloud of smoke.

"That'll teach ya'll not to mess with us!"

She turns to David, who now has his head attached to a mechanic puppy toy and is scurrying out of the ship to see what all the commotion was about:

"Aight, Dave. Let's go bowlin'".



Posted on 1 Jul 2012 22:55:16 BDT
R. Woolmer says:
what do you reckon the android said to that engineer when they traveled all that way and finally met their own god? ha ha that helmet makes you look like you got a Dong on your face? gggrrrrr annoying

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 16:00:17 BDT
Helmet cam scene,check. Chest burster,check.Airlock scene,check. Snore.
What really made me laugh was when the ship crew just sacrificed themselves on the Dr Shaw's rambling account about the birth of man, when what they really would have done is laugh in her face and save their own skins.
Awful film

Posted on 3 Jul 2012 14:46:07 BDT
Looking back over all the previous posts, Prometheus has shown so many faults it's hard to believe Ridley Scott had any hand in putting it together at all!
Now I'm even bothered by the headless alien. Who designs a door that slams down so fast and has such a razor sharp edge that it can chop through a tough looking space-helmet and the very muscular neck of the alien?
(A nit-pic too far?)

Posted on 3 Jul 2012 15:18:07 BDT
Not if it's a plot device, then people should pick away. If it was Crank 3 (or other such mindless film) I'd suggest chilling out and put your brain into neutral. But this is supposed to an intelligent return to sci-fi for Ridley Scott.

Posted on 3 Jul 2012 15:42:41 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jul 2012 15:43:54 BDT
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