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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 16:15:28 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Dec 2012 16:15:44 GMT
You did not see Avengers at Cinema?

Shame

I have been to see Avengers and TDKR only this year, but I definitely plan to see the Hobbit

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2012 16:06:36 GMT
Yeah he was not himself, but he is still bloody James Bond, who does not miss shots, I think we just assume that when push comes to shove he can still nail it every time as thats the way it was for every other James Bond.

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 13:21:14 GMT
I've only been 4 times this year and that's 3 times more than last year, I'm a new father so free time is near nonexistent .

This year I've been to see Prometheous , spider-man, Dark Knight and Skyfall twice

Wow so it's 5 times then, I have been lucky lol.... I quite fancied seeing Dark Knight again but felt I could wait, Skyfall I would happily go a 3rd time of I could get away with it with the mrs lol.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Dec 2012 11:07:38 GMT
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Jeez ,k/d 0:0 what a show off ! My low self esteem couldn't take any more, had to trade it so I can get owned solely on BF3 as usual.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Dec 2012 11:02:37 GMT
How strange, my only other cinema outing this year was The dark Knight Rises , never found the time to go see it again.Wow, coincidence.......I'l buy that on Blu Ray so that kinda counts as seeing it again ;0

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 10:47:08 GMT
Avatouir says:
I might be tempted to revisit the cinema for a second viewing. only other time this year I thought that was Dark Knight rises

Posted on 2 Dec 2012 10:38:00 GMT
I never go to the cinema as I'm pretty unstable/easily distracted(what was this topic again?) and prefer to enjoy films on dvd without interruptions. However I've been twice to see Skyfall and it blew me away.The Bond standard has been dented a couple of times over the years but in the 50th anniversary year this has to be up there with the best of them , even given the unlikely and unnecessary "plot twist" at the end of the pre-credit sequence, for me the only and certainly forgiveable flaw in a high end Bond outing.
I must add that I viewed Skyfall in a packed saturday night cinema in Stockport and an empty( Tuesday day off) multiplex in Glasgow and enjoyed both outings equally.Director,cast and script top notch.

"who says its my first time".....masterful.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012 15:19:11 GMT
Datolite says:
Yeah, my KD ratio is 0:0 on the new BLOPS! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012 15:17:25 GMT
LOL im sorry .. u are king of cod ; )

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012 15:15:34 GMT
Datolite says:
"Right ..... but as they standing next to him aiming is not such an amazing issue, and dont forget this is still Bond, he was never you playing cCl of Duty freddy he can still hit a target."

Well to be honest, I think you're right, I was just stipulating that this is the bit Andy was on about. We need to remember that Bond removed the bullet after his exams, meaning it would be able to heal and less pain would be inflicted. No need to insult my formidable CoD skills though.

Yeah, I am. Maybe I'm mis-remembering then...I thought he then arrives into the tube station via the ladder.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012 15:08:20 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2012 15:16:37 GMT
"I'm quite sure Andy is on about the bit on the Island, when Bond manages to take down his three (or four) thugs pretty easily then capture Silva."

Right ..... but as they standing next to him aiming is not such an amazing issue, and dont forget this is still Bond, he was never you playing Callof Duty freddy he can still hit a target.

Re Tube bomb blast ...

Right im really confused now, are you talking about the explosion that causes the empty train to fall through the hole ?? .. cause that does def happen after the bit where he hiding on the train ???

Bond chases him off the train, and catches up with him on that ladder, its when Bond is picking himself up from the train nearly hitting him that Silva escapes and makes his way to the trial thing ?

Posted on 26 Nov 2012 15:01:08 GMT
Datolite says:
-"Ermmmm he got shot in the shoulder and spent a unmentioned amount of time getting drunk and boning girls.. so yes his aim wasnt great. It did seem to improve when he was at Skyfall, but he was hardly shooting fleas off dogs back at a 100 yards ? he was using a shot gun, hardly a precison tool and if Bond cant hit stuff with that then there is no film. I cant comment on how his good/bad aim affected him killing with out a gun LOL !" -

I'm quite sure Andy is on about the bit on the Island, when Bond manages to take down his three (or four) thugs pretty easily then capture Silva.

-"im confused didnt the explosion happen after he had mingled and hide (dressed as a copper) on the train and if you mean after the explosion i would suggest someone dressed as copper could easily espace in the chaos ?"-

The explosion happens before he gets into the tube station as he's climbing up the steps when it happened. Was lucky it was an empty train, ey? But such noise of that and a report from the driver should've made the tube close at least.

Posted on 26 Nov 2012 14:15:47 GMT
Just saw the film over the weekend. I enjoyed it a lot. The script was a tiny bit serious (as in lacked humour) for a film which referenced back to the older Bond films so much but the brilliant action sequences made up for this.

I noticed references to / shades of Heath Ledgers Joker in the film which was interesting - Javier Bardem with a haircut like Cesar Romero, a facial disfigurement arround the mouth and jaw, the orchestrated capture trick - wondered if this was deliberate or just inspired by (or am I imagining things??).

Had no issues with the films logic - any time I question why something was happening I simply told myself that "It's a Bond movie - that's why" and this did the trick.

Also the motorbike > top of train stunt was superb!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2012 13:40:18 GMT
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Hey Andy sorry never seemed to get chance to respond to your list of plotholes and defend the film I love so .. but lets try !

*** SPOILERS ***

- "Why is Bond's aim so terrible during his medical and when trying to shoot the glass off Severin's head then all of a sudden he's back to a wrold class marksman and takes out all of Silva's armed guards in about three seconds when he doesn't even have a gun".

Ermmmm he got shot in the shoulder and spent a unmentioned amount of time getting drunk and boning girls.. so yes his aim wasnt great. It did seem to improve when he was at Skyfall, but he was hardly shooting fleas off dogs back at a 100 yards ? he was using a shot gun, hardly a precison tool and if Bond cant hit stuff with that then there is no film. I cant comment on how his good/bad aim affected him killing with out a gun LOL !

"- After the runaway tube incident, how the hell did Silva manage to hide in a crowd full of commuters going about their day to day business? An explosion big enough to tear a hole in the tube line wouldn't have been heard or felt by anyone or make them panic and London Underground would in no way for a second hault the tubes from running when something like that happened!"

im confused didnt the explosion happen after he had mingled and hide (dressed as a copper) on the train and if you mean after the explosion i would suggest someone dressed as copper could easily espace in the chaos ?

"- Silva's planning is so good you'd think he could see into the future because for his plan to work all of the following needed to happen. Patrice die at the hands of MI6, Patrice needed to have an incriminating casino chip on him, he needed Severine to decide to betray him and hope that Bond would defeat her three body guards, he needed Bond to take him in alive and not kill him, needed his guards to not search Bond for weapons etc in case they found the cunningly hidden tracking device in his pocket, needed his cell to have an electric lock controlled by computers and needed the armed guards who were watching his cell to just stand their when he escaped and let him get close enough to kill the two of them without even drawing their weapons."

Hang on Silva wanted to be captured no ?? wasnt that the big plan, hence allowing himself to be found ? .. if you notice there was never any danger of Bond killing him really ? As for not finding a radio when frisking for a gun ... hardly a plot hole ?

-" Why did he even need to be captured? The fact he had blown up MI6 by overriding it's security systems shows he had already hacked their network."

To face M one last time as Rab said

-" If the stuff he needed was on a different secure network, then you'd think that network would be seperate precisely to stop outside hacking so plugging the bad guys laptop into that network is probably a really stupid thing to do"

Yes it was again i refer to MI6 on not being very competant and playing into Silva hands .. again stupidity of a organisation being indited for incompetancy is not plot hole really.

"- Of course, having spent so many years setting it all up and being so clever to do all that he did, it wouldn't occur to someone as capable as him to get revenge on M in a much more simple, direct and less time consuming way."

probably the film could of been made lots of different ways, however he obviously wanted to Hit M where she lived made it more personal doesnt it ?

- Whatever happened to the list of MI6 agents?

5 got published on You Tube, Silva got captured before he could post the rest ? ... it didnt matter anyway the first 5 got M where he needed her in that court room.

"- Silva'a Island Lair makes no sense. So he hacked a computer to get people to think there was a chemical leak and a whole Island of people upped and left without anyone ever coming back to confirm it?"

Yeah true but does it make more or less sence than a hollowed out Volcano ? lol

"- The final fight with Silva was a joke. throughout the film we're told how Silva was one of M's favourite agents and how him and Bond are the same so i'm just waiting for a fight in the same vein as Brosnan and Bean in Goldeneye when Bond really meets someone on the same plateau as him... instead he get's a cheap one shot kill with a pen knife in the back. Poor, just poor."

Come on ....He had a gun to M's head seconds from death, did you really expect ... "pardon me old boy this really isnt on care dor a duel ?"

- "Silva's whole plan was to kill M and himself so at the end of the film he wins because that's exactly what happened. Even if Bond hadn't pulled off the knife in the back the end result is still the same."

yeah so he had the last laugh .. how is that a plot hole ?

"- Not even sure where to start on the whole climax. So he needs to get Silva away from technology to even the playing field and protect M and plants a trail of breadcrumbs. First question, why not just send M down the passageway as soon as Silva turns up? Why not just hide M someplace else entirely, i'm sure there are hundreds of other remote places in the middle of nowhere within 10 miles of Skyfall so Bond could kill him then just go and get M when the coast was clear? Why go there without any weapons? I get they're on the run but i'm sure an MI6 agent has access to plenty of dead drops with weapons? Silva forbids his men from arming M saying that she's his, s why let the huge gunship blow the house to smithereens if he doesn't want her killed? "

he led the fight to house so they could lay traps, use the car etc .. he wouldnt of lasted long stood in the middle of a field yelling come and get it Silva. Blowing the house up ??? Bond blew the house up aided by a Chopper crashing into it hardly Silvas plan.

You dont like the film Andy, thats obvious, but to me I think your list of plotholes is more of a list of things you didnt like about the film, which is fair enough, its not for everyone.

But you havent convinced me of any major plot holes mate, well nothing that you couldnt accuse the last 22 Bond movies of.

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 18:56:25 GMT
I was actually shocked how Bond killed Electra, great tho !

I have to agree with Cam btw, Bale was an amazing Batman IMO , Keaton was slightly better as Bruce Wayne, but Bale was great as The Dark Night !

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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 15:40:19 GMT
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LOL, It was not that great though, I loved it at the time, but when I watch it now I feel more love for the game than I do the actual Film which had a couple of minor things which spoiled it for me.

One being the Car chase F355 Vs Aston DB5, it was silly the F355 would have been able to do it twice in the time a DB5 did it, even with Bond behind the wheel.

Though I have to say its probably my favourite of all Bond opening moments before the titles.

I also did not klike the Bond Girl

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 15:02:28 GMT
"Goldeneye was an average film" hush ur mouth Cam, Im going tio change ur name to Flappa !!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 14:45:25 GMT
Datolite says:
The answer to everything is magic, apart from below:

- Why did he even need to be captured? The fact he had blown up MI6 by overriding it's security systems shows he had already hacked their network.

So he could see M again and penetrate the network further.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 14:42:03 GMT
I liked, not loved all the Brosnan movies bar DAD which was the worst Bond Movie I have ever seen. and to this day the only one I dont have at home on disk. Including never say never again.

Godeneye was an average film, but will always have a place in my heart due to the fantastic N64 game of the movie.

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 14:39:35 GMT
AndyBSG says:
"Skyfall is an entertaining film, but it isn't the best Bond film ever made and I simply don't understand the hype claiming it is or the suggestion it should win Oscars. The problem is not the story - which is actually interesting - but the execution"

Like you I don't understand the near universal acclaim for Skyfall simply because there's just too many huge gaping plot holes... It almost makes Prometheus look good in that regard!

*** SPOILERS ***

- Why is Bond's aim so terrible during his medical and when trying to shoot the glass off Severin's head then all of a sudden he's back to a wrold class marksman and takes out all of Silva's armed guards in about three seconds when he doesn't even have a gun.

- After the runaway tube incident, how the hell did Silva manage to hide in a crowd full of commuters going about their day to day business? An explosion big enough to tear a hole in the tube line wouldn't have been heard or felt by anyone or make them panic and London Underground would in no way for a second hault the tubes from running when something like that happened!

- Silva's planning is so good you'd think he could see into the future because for his plan to work all of the following needed to happen. Patrice die at the hands of MI6, Patrice needed to have an incriminating casino chip on him, he needed Severine to decide to betray him and hope that Bond would defeat her three body guards, he needed Bond to take him in alive and not kill him, needed his guards to not search Bond for weapons etc in case they found the cunningly hidden tracking device in his pocket, needed his cell to have an electric lock controlled by computers and needed the armed guards who were watching his cell to just stand their when he escaped and let him get close enough to kill the two of them without even drawing their weapons.

- Why did he even need to be captured? The fact he had blown up MI6 by overriding it's security systems shows he had already hacked their network.

- If the stuff he needed was on a different secure network, then you'd think that network would be seperate precisely to stop outside hacking so plugging the bad guys laptop into that network is probably a really stupid thing to do

- Of course, having spent so many years setting it all up and being so clever to do all that he did, it wouldn't occur to someone as capable as him to get revenge on M in a much more simple, direct and less time consuming way.

- Whatever happened to the list of MI6 agents?

- Silva'a Island Lair makes no sense. So he hacked a computer to get people to think there was a chemical leak and a whole Island of people upped and left without anyone ever coming back to confirm it?

- The final fight with Silva was a joke. throughout the film we're told how Silva was one of M's favourite agents and how him and Bond are the same so i'm just waiting for a fight in the same vein as Brosnan and Bean in Goldeneye when Bond really meets someone on the same plateau as him... instead he get's a cheap one shot kill with a pen knife in the back. Poor, just poor.

- Silva's whole plan was to kill M and himself so at the end of the film he wins because that's exactly what happened. Even if Bond hadn't pulled off the knife in the back the end result is still the same.

- Not even sure where to start on the whole climax. So he needs to get Silva away from technology to even the playing field and protect M and plants a trail of breadcrumbs. First question, why not just send M down the passageway as soon as Silva turns up? Why not just hide M someplace else entirely, i'm sure there are hundreds of other remote places in the middle of nowhere within 10 miles of Skyfall so Bond could kill him then just go and get M when the coast was clear? Why go there without any weapons? I get they're on the run but i'm sure an MI6 agent has access to plenty of dead drops with weapons? Silva forbids his men from arming M saying that she's his, s why let the huge gunship blow the house to smithereens if he doesn't want her killed?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 14:38:42 GMT
I am not sure i agree with it, but at least you present your opinions well.

I especially dont agree with your point about Bale not making a b=good batman, I ahve never understood this not uncommon opinion of Bale/Batman.

Personally he is my favourite Wayne and Batman I have seen. Love it.

But hey

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 13:51:54 GMT
"I did think the knife in the back was a bit lame though. "

Yeah, but it was nice to see Bond actually kill the villian in this one, he didnt in the last two !

Posted on 23 Nov 2012 13:15:25 GMT
Ah no bother, I had commented on Brosnans getting increasingly silly so I thought you may have been reffering to them comments, no offence taken either way.

You make vaild points and for the record I loved Brosnan as Bond, Goldeneye and TWINE are 2 of my fav Bond movies, in fact the pre credits opening scene in TWINE is up there with Casino Royale IMO,

"You're certainly right about Die Another Day, but I think Brosnan's fencing duel with Toby Stephens is one of the best moments of Bond"

I agree that was fantastic, in fact the first half of D.A.D was pretty good, the whole Bond being held captive was quite an interesting idea. However after the sword fight scene it all went boobs up, it was like 2 films got mashed together to make a mess.
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