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11 of 13 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Not bad but could be better, 9 May 2004
In this review I'll try to provide a brief overview of
a. The Croatian Language
b. Teach Yourself Croatian
a. The Croatian Language
15 years ago you wouldn't have found any course in Croatian, only in Serbo-Croat. For almost all of the 20th century the term Serbo-Croat covered the language(s) spoken by Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and Montenegrins. Today there is no agreement on whether there are one, two, three or four different languages. Most people recognise the existence of Croatian and Serbian and tent to view Bosnian and Montenegrin as Serbian varieties.
I'm not from the region and I don't have any national feeling involved in this issue. Neither do I have any definite answer, but I can say this:
- Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Montenegrins can all understand each other. Just as Danes and Swedes or Czechs and Slovaks can understand each other.
- The difference between the forms is large enough to give away whether you're a Croat, a Serb, a Bosnian or a Montenegrin. The difference is definitely larger than between various English dialects.The most obvious difference is between "ekavian" and "ijekavin", two different dialect named after their realisation of "e".
In Ekavian:
milk = mleko, river = reka, village = selo
In Ijekavian:
milk = mlijeko, river = rijeka, village = selo
In other words, not all "e"s are "ije" in Ijekavian but you get the picture.
Now, all Croats, all Bosniaks and all Montenegrins use Ijekavian. So do many Serbs. The majority of the Serbs use Ekavian, though.
In other words, all Ekavian-speakers are Serbs but not all Serbs are Ekavian-speakers and all Croats are Ijekavian-speakers but not all Ijekavian-speakers are Croats. Another difference is the vocabulary. Croats are Catholics, Bosniaks are Moslems and Montenegrins and Serbs are Orthodox. Another big difference is that Serbia and Bosnia first came under the influence of Greece and later were part of the Turkish Empire for hundreds of years. Croatia first came under the influence of Italy and later was part of the Austrian empire for hundreds of years. Naturally this has left its traces. Many religious words in Serbian are Greek, in Bosnian they're Turkish/Arab and in Croatian they're Latin.
Apart from the religious vocabulary there are some other words that differ. Croatia has one set of words whereas the others have another set. In short, the picture looks like this: Croatian: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Latin, Croatian-set.
Serbian: Ekavian (mostly), religious vocabulary based on Greek, Serbian-set.
Bosnian: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Turkish, Serbiat-set.
Montenegrin: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Greek, Serbian-set. Just keep in mind that there are differences but that people understand each others. I've learned Croatian but Serbs have expressed delight over how well I speak Serbian... b. Teach Yourself Croatian
The development of courses in Croatian and Serbian is rather interesting. Up to the early 1980s most Serbo-Croatian courses were based on the Serbian variety because that was the language spoken in the capital. Then came the "tourist invasion" and since the tourist areas were almost exclusively in Croatia almost all courses published in 1980-1992 were in the Croatian variety. Now, those courses are often republised under the name of "Croatian". In fact, Teach Yourself Croatian is exactly the same books as the old Teach Yourself Serbo-Croat. This means that Serbian has the upper hand in courses at the moment, because now that there is a need for courses in the language publishers go for completely new courses. I guess that within five years we'll see new courses appearing in Croatian... Comparing Teach Yourself Croatin to Teach Yourself Serbian, this one is substantially shorter and does not contain as much information. It is not a bad course but I wonder why they didn't make it as comprehensive as Teach Yourself Serbian. Both courses have the same authors and they were published at the same time, yet this one is only 2/3 of the other. Obviously that means that this course doesn't take the beginner as far as Teach Yourself Serbian does. If you've read my other reviews of courses you will know that I consider most Teach Yourself courses too short. Teach Yourself Croatian suffers from the same problem, unlike Teach Yourself Serbian.
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20 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Not bad but could be better, 19 Mar 2004
In this review I'll try to provide a brief overview of
a. The Croatian Language
b. Teach Yourself Croatian
a. The Croatian Language
15 years ago you wouldn't have found any course in Croatian, only in Serbo-Croat. For almost all of the 20th century the term Serbo-Croat covered the language(s) spoken by Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and Montenegrins. Today there is no agreement on whether there are one, two, three or four different languages. Most people recognise the existence of Croatian and Serbian and tent to view Bosnian and Montenegrin as Serbian varieties.
I'm not from the region and I don't have any national feeling involved in this issue. Neither do I have any definite answer, but I can say this:
- Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Montenegrins can all understand each other. Just as Danes and Swedes or Czechs and Slovaks can understand each other.
- The difference between the forms is large enough to give away whether you're a Croat, a Serb, a Bosnian or a Montenegrin. The difference is definitely larger than between various English dialects.The most obvious difference is between "ekavian" and "ijekavin", two different dialect named after their realisation of "e".
In Ekavian:
milk = mleko, river = reka, village = selo
In Ijekavian:
milk = mlijeko, river = rijeka, village = selo
In other words, not all "e"s are "ije" in Ijekavian but you get the picture.
Now, all Croats, all Bosniaks and all Montenegrins use Ijekavian. So do many Serbs. The majority of the Serbs use Ekavian, though.
In other words, all Ekavian-speakers are Serbs but not all Serbs are Ekavian-speakers and all Croats are Ijekavian-speakers but not all Ijekavian-speakers are Croats. Another difference is the vocabulary. Croats are Catholics, Bosniaks are Moslems and Montenegrins and Serbs are Orthodox. Another big difference is that Serbia and Bosnia first came under the influence of Greece and later were part of the Turkish Empire for hundreds of years. Croatia first came under the influence of Italy and later was part of the Austrian empire for hundreds of years. Naturally this has left its traces. Many religious words in Serbian are Greek, in Bosnian they're Turkish/Arab and in Croatian they're Latin.
Apart from the religious vocabulary there are some other words that differ. Croatia has one set of words whereas the others have another set. In short, the picture looks like this: Croatian: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Latin, Croatian-set.
Serbian: Ekavian (mostly), religious vocabulary based on Greek, Serbian-set.
Bosnian: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Turkish, Serbiat-set.
Montenegrin: Ijekavian, religious vocabulary based on Greek, Serbian-set. Just keep in mind that there are differences but that people understand each others. I've learned Croatian but Serbs have expressed delight over how well I speak Serbian... b. Teach Yourself Croatian
The development of courses in Croatian and Serbian is rather interesting. Up to the early 1980s most Serbo-Croatian courses were based on the Serbian variety because that was the language spoken in the capital. Then came the "tourist invasion" and since the tourist areas were almost exclusively in Croatia almost all courses published in 1980-1992 were in the Croatian variety. Now, those courses are often republised under the name of "Croatian". In fact, Teach Yourself Croatian is exactly the same books as the old Teach Yourself Serbo-Croat. This means that Serbian has the upper hand in courses at the moment, because now that there is a need for courses in the language publishers go for completely new courses. I guess that within five years we'll see new courses appearing in Croatian... Comparing Teach Yourself Croatin to Teach Yourself Serbian, this one is substantially shorter and does not contain as much information. It is not a bad course but I wonder why they didn't make it as comprehensive as Teach Yourself Serbian. Both courses have the same authors and they were published at the same time, yet this one is only 2/3 of the other. Obviously that means that this course doesn't take the beginner as far as Teach Yourself Serbian does. If you've read my other reviews of courses you will know that I consider most Teach Yourself courses too short. Teach Yourself Croatian suffers from the same problem, unlike Teach Yourself Serbian.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Improved but only a little, 3 Mar 2007
There are some improvements to the previous edition and the errors and inconsistencies are much reduced. The information about Croatian culture is useful, and generally the grammar is set out in an understandable way. CDs are much easier to use than tapes, but the change to new voices has not been a success: at least the earlier voices had character, expression and clarity. The new speakers seem to be in a competition to see who can speak in the fastest monotone. Even with the words in front of me, it is difficult to keep up. This is not the way for complete beginners (except those naturally language-orientated) to learn, a fact which seems to have escaped many language teachers. This book is an introduction, and should not anticipate that novices could hear the language properly at 'native speaker speed'. Slower, more carefully enunciated speech, with lots of repetition, would be more beneficial, perhaps with the pace picking up towards the end of the course when the vocabulary and syntax are more familiar. Another problem is the number of instances of words in the text which are not given in the glossary at the back: in fact some of them are not even in Morton Benson's fairly comprehensive dictionary. The index is very short and of limited value. Despite this, I consider it to be a useful book, but would not advise using it as your only text. I have 6 courses, including 3 produced in Croatia (generally better paced) and find that by working on a chapter at a time from each, a better understanding is reached.
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