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Two Girls, Fat and Thin (Paperback)

by Mary Gaitskill (Author)
3.6 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (10 customer reviews)

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  • Paperback: 326 pages
  • Publisher: Vintage; New edition edition (18 Jun 1992)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0099908301
  • ISBN-13: 978-0099908302
  • Product Dimensions: 19.8 x 12.9 x 2.2 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.6 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (10 customer reviews)
  • Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 542,401 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

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After the flashy debut of her story collection, Bad Behavior, Gaitskill's first novel seems downright demure. Despite its disturbing scene of S-M, it's mostly a thoughtful and eloquent psychological profile of two strangely connected lives. What draws the two girls of the title together is the popular philosopher Anna Granite (a thinly disguised version of Ayn Rand). Justine Shade, a pretty and slender part-time secretary, also writes for a Village Voice-like tabloid; her investigation into the dying cult of Granite brings her into contact with Dorothy Storm (nee Footie), an obese Wall St. word-processor who changed her life for the better when she dropped out of college and became part of Granite's inner circle. The long middle section of the novel, acutely observed forays into the two women's pasts, reveals their oddly parallel lives. Despite dramatic differences in class and family life, both women have been victimized: Dorothy by her sexually abusive father, and Justine by her emotionally damaging parents - cool and distant, and oh-so liberal-minded. Both imaginative, articulate, and literate girls, they find themselves outsiders among their peers: one shunned for her apparent physical difference; the other appalled by the cruelty and betrayal that young people are given to. If Dorothy punishes herself by eating her way into oblivion, Justine begins to discover kinky sexuality: first, through masturbatory fantasies of torture, and then by acting out some bizarre adolescent rites. As adults, Justine continues to subject herself to violent, degrading sex, while Dorothy has found psychic liberation through the erotically charged ideas of Granite, who teaches her how life can matter if we decide to make it matter, and other such "definitist" nostrums. Meanwhile, Justine publishes her smart and cynical article, which properly debunks the pseudo-philosophy of Granite, and betrays the oft-abused Dorothy. But the latter's rage subsides when she becomes the very screwed-up Justine's literal savior. Gaitskill fully understands the psycho-dynamics of being a misfit, and hence the appeal of such as Rand. But her fine and disturbing novel is also a stunning work of the imagination - genuine and luminous. (Kirkus Reviews)


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A story about two women, contrastingly different but powerfully drawn to one another. As their relationship develops, they reveal what lies beneath the surface of their suburban childhoods - violence, pain, intimacy, isolation, denial, fulfilment and the betrayal of love and innocence.

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5.0 out of 5 stars It's funny, and disturbing, because it's true ..., 5 Jun 1999
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Mary Gaitskill's Two Girls, Fat and Thin is a brilliantly satiric but nonetheless disturbingly realistic story of how cults appeal to the alienated and confused precisely by providing them with a sense of belonging and simple answers to complex questions. And, given the mixed messages they receive daily about gender, sexuality, identity, empowerment and the body (see any issue of YM, for example, or, for that matter, Cosmopolitan), it's hard to imagine anyone with greater potential for alienation and confusion that the adolescent American female. In Gaitskill's hilariously parodic roman a clef, the two girls of the title, "fat" Dorothy and "thin" Justine, are taken in by the "Definitivist" philosophy of one Anna Granite, in a transparently veiled, hysterically accurate spoof of Ayn Rand's "Objectivism." Anyone who's suffered through Rand's didactic, overwrought novels will be delighted by such details, such parodies within the parody, as Granite's fictional fictions, The Bulwark and The Gods Disdained. And given the essential similarities between Granite and Rand, Definitivism and Objectivism, Gaitskill's novel makes it difficult to see how anybody takes the latter seriously, although the Rand cult continues apace nonetheless (see Jeff Walker's excellent study, The Ayn Rand Cult [LaSalle, IL: Open Court, 1999]). It's funny, and disturbing, beacuse it's true ...
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3.0 out of 5 stars Shows the weakness of Rand's view of sex..., 16 Jun 1999
By A Customer
I'm not part of the "Leonard Peikoff Objectivist Jihad", but I agree with Ayn Rand on 95% of her points. Where I break from her is on the issue of sex, which is the issue which _literally_ broke her herself. Her views of sex were carryovers from her russian psuedo-christian upbringing. She always remained sympathetic toward christianity right up to the end, and this explains her views on marriage, sexual roles, homosexuality, etc. Her main problem came in when she found an attractive young man and she had to weave a creaky bridge of logic to allow herself to sleep with him. In the end, it destroyed her and crippled her message. If she had understood sexuality better, objectivism wouldn't be the giant joke that it is today.

It's for this reason that I eagerly read Gaitskill's book on a friend's recommendation. I expected to find a snide portrayal of Rand and her philosophy. I did not. Gaitskill really shows respect for Ayn Rand and her core ideas. Ayn Rand (Granite) is shown as being powerfully intelligent, compassionate, and violently passionate. M.G. also eludes to Rand's casual use of weight pills/amphetamines, which is well known and adds a touch of honesty without being cruel. Gaitskill's point is that Rand was wrong about sexuality. I agree. In making this point, Gaitskill was honest and not disrespectful in regard to the central values of objectivism and Rand.

The two main girls are really not that atypical. Sexual issues for women are very complex and Rand didn't do them any favors. The fact is, she never wrote for women anyway. She was a man-worshipper (in her own words) and wanted to reach men. The problem is that women are powerfully attracted to her and her ideas, but are left hanging when it comes to sex (they are in effect taught to accept rape as great sex!). The book attempts to address this point, and I think it really has something to offer in this way.

The book is a naturalistic book in that the characters are not consistent but rather imperfect and irrational at times. Ayn Rand would point to this as a reason to not like the book and for women not to read it. In fact, she herself bears responsibility for similar states of confusion and irrationality in many women due to her absurd philosophy of female sexuality. I applaud Gaitskill's attempt to show some compassion toward these women and think that the main value of her book is to show the weak points and inconsistencies in Rand's view of sex and how it often results in harm for women.

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1.0 out of 5 stars So bad, I threw the book away., 6 Mar 1999
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I really disliked this book. I think the only reason I finished it is because I hoped it would get better at some point. I'm not sure what I was expecting, perhaps something as engaging as She's Come Undone. This one really disappointed. I threw away the book because I was embarassed to have it on my book shelf. I guess I've had it with these contemporary characters who can't get their lives together and spend their adult years wallowing in self pity blaming their dysfunctional families for their problems.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Amusing Parody of Ayn Rand + Honest Female Analysis
As disturbing as this book was, it held my avid interest throughout. It is one of my favorites.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Run, don't walk away from this book
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4.0 out of 5 stars Like Mary G.'s short stories, you'll like her first novel
I must admit that I have been waiting to read this book for some time now, as I have read Mary. G.'s two books of short stories and found them quite enjoyable -- and at times... Read more
Published on 18 Feb 1998

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