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  • Paperback: 144 pages
  • Publisher: Marvel Comics (10 Jan. 2007)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0785114033
  • ISBN-13: 978-0785114031
  • Product Dimensions: 17.1 x 0.6 x 26 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.2 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (4 customer reviews)
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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful By Mr. G on 14 Jun. 2006
Format: Paperback
But I didn't think much to this interpretation of carnage.

The story is a good read, plenty going on, it's just the way they brought carnage on the scene, seemed more like something out of an old monster movie.

Forget about Kletus Cassidy, as far as this story is concerned; doesn't exist. This carnage was grown in a test tube from a sample of parkers blood, mixed with a part of the venom costume. It then grows, escapes, goes on a rampage, and so forth (I'm sure you know where it's going!).

I feel that carnage is little if anything without Cassidy. It was Cassidy's insane, irrational behaviour mixed with what we knew of the symbiote venom that made him so popular. Yet reading this story it's not all too clear what this creature has against humanity (Unlike the original Carnage), or why it kills.

Overall it is still a good story, but you get the feeling that Carnage could have been replaced with any random monster i.e. one of the Aliens from "Alien", and the story could have remained - pretty much - the same!
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9 of 12 people found the following review helpful By R. Wood TOP 1000 REVIEWERVINE VOICE on 12 May 2005
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Ah, Carnage. Great character and even greater villain, a legend in the main Spider-Man continuity. The first ever tale featuring him was a classic that sold out and will stand the test of time.
Sadly though, a lot of fans have overlooked the pros of the great character we're talking about here. The original Carnage was proof of innocence squandered at childhood, a fatal mistake on the part of Spider-Man and Venom, a lethal and insidious killing machine that was near unbeatable and no better example of what the world can do to us all too easily.
The reasons why some fans have missed this are understandable. After the first few stories featuring Carnage, he suffered the same fate as Venom. He was seen as a tool to help boost sales for Spidey comics and writers didn't care what was done with him as long as he was there. As a result, poor stories were produced and one of the biggest villains of the 90's became tragically wasted.
Which now brings us to Brian Michael Bendis' reinvention of Carnage in the Ultimate timeline, which is definitely the darkest Ultimate Spider-Man arc to date.
Doctor Curt Conners A.K.A. the Lizard, is going through a hard time. After his recent transformation into the Lizard, Conners is now divorced from his wife and struggling financially, on the verge of losing his lab if he can't get grants for his research. After Spidey is injured in one of his fights, he goes to Conners to get patched up. After he's finished, Conners notices that Peter's left some blood behind.
No prizes for guessing what happens next.
I really loved Bendis' recreation of Venom earlier on in the Ultimate Spider-Man saga.
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2 of 4 people found the following review helpful By Amazon Customer on 4 Mar. 2005
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(warning small spoiler) As I finished reading, I found that it opened up a few doors for future stories to be told regarding Conners, Carnage and what the future holds for Peter Parker but what realy disappointed me is the abrupt and pointless death of Gwen Stacy, I felt that they could have done much much more with her, in regards to her relationship with Peter Parker and Mary Jane, especially Peter Parker. (So, what I would like to know is what the writers where thinking when they killed her off) and for this reason I only gave three stars.
All in all its a good read, and should not be pass over.
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0 of 1 people found the following review helpful By Simon Wells on 3 Dec. 2008
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Carnage isn't as enjoyable as I would have hoped. I couldn't help but think of the volume with Venom as so much of it is the same as this.

Curt Conners has started to test Peter's blood and the experiment goes wrong bringing about Carnage. Carnage runs amock killing people so it can feed and it ends up killing someone close to Peter.

Once Peter finds out what Conners has done he gets angry and the showdown between Spiderman and Carnage is good but was all too short for my enjoyment. I feel that this volume is only a build up for the Clone saga in volume 17, which looks far more entertaining.
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The death of Gwen Stacy in the Ultimate Spider-Man universe 12 Nov. 2004
By Lawrance Bernabo - Published on
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Overall, "Ultimate Spider-Man" is my favorite Spider-Man comic book right now. I do a unit on Spider-Man for my Popular Culture class where my students have to read "The Essential Spider-Man, Volume 1" and a current issue. So after many years of not reading Spider-Man (the whole clone bit was too much for me), I am back reading all of the Spider-Man titles. Ultimate Spider-Man has restarted the story of Peter Parker from the beginning, making his younger and more modern. For example, Peter no longer sells photographs of Spider-Man, a wise move since every criminal in New York City would be after him to see what he knows, but instead he designs web pages (ha ha, get it? web pages!) for the "Daily Bugle."

In this new universe Peter Parker is no longer interested in Betty Brant, because she is a whole lot older (and clearly a college graduate now). Like the Spider-Man movies, Mary Jane Watson is there from the start as the girl next door. She also finds out that Peter Parker is Spider-Man early on in the game. Having MJ there from the start makes sense for the films, because you are not going to do that many of them (a Rocky number of Spider-Man films would be nice, but it will never make it to the level of the James Bond franchise). But with "Ultimate Spider-Man" it begs the question of where Gwen Stacy fits into this new version of the web-head. You can read these comics and know nothing about the Spider-Man mythos and enjoy them, but for those of us who have read most of the 500+ issues of "The Amazing Spider-Man" published to date it has been interesting to see how writer Brian Michael Bendis, penciler Mark Bagley, and inker Scott Hanna has altered familiar plot lines and characters. So I think veteran Spider-Man fans get to enjoy these stories more than newbies.

"Ultimate Spider-Man, Volume 11: Carnage" collects issues #60-65, which includes the five part "Carnage" story and its "Detention" epilogue, combines the creation of Carnage with the fate of Gwen Stacy. Already abandoned by her mother, when Captain Stacy dies Gwen moves in with Aunt May and Peter, where the troubled teenage tomboy finds a home. Gwen had recently discovered that Peter was Spider-Man and had come to terms with the fact that it was a thief, dressed as Spider-Man, who was responsible for her father's death. Meanwhile, when Spider-Man gets hurt in a fight he visits Curt Connor (a.k.a. the Lizard) for some doctoring. After Spider-Man leaves, Connor examines the web-head's blood and discovers that its DNA sequencing is amazing and might constitute a real breakthrough in genetics. Connor wants to run some experiments to see if this could lead to curing illness and fighting diseases. Peter gives his permission and two months late Carnage is born.

In the original Spider-Man comics, Carnage was created when the alien symbiote that bonded with Eddie Brock (a.k.a. Venom) left behind a "child" to bond with Brock's cellmate Cletus Kasady. But in this storyline Venom was created by the fathers of Peter Parker and Eddie Brock when they were looking for a biological cure for cancer, so there is a twist to Carnage's "identity," that makes for a nice payoff. But most of this story has to do with Carnage escaping Connor's laboratory and leaving a path of desiccated corpses as he hunts down Spider-Man. When the creature arrives at the Parker home the only one he finds there is Gwen.

There is a heart-rending scene where Aunt May has to make a heart rending phone call to leave a message with Gwen's mother with some idiot woman that only adds insult to injury. Then Peter confronts Connor over what has happened, at which point Carnage shows up and has to be dealt with as well. But can Peter do what has to be done and with the death of another person that he loves, can he go on being Spider-Man? It is in this context that Bendis et al. work in the "Spider-Man no more" element and make it resonate a lot more than before. The epilogue, "Detention," is the best issue in this collection as MJ finds out why Flash keeps making jokes about Gwen's death and Peter reveals what he really thinks about Flash and his friends. This comic book takes the idea that the characters are still in high school a lot more seriously than they did back in the Lee & Ditko glory years.

Unhappy endings are a major part of the Spider-Man mythos, but the story arc contained in "Carnage" is a real downer. Having Gwen's death set in high school (I think Peter, Mary Jane, and the rest are still only sophomores) actually made it worse, even if there was not a romance between Peter and Gwen in this universe. For what it is worth, the next two-part storyline in "Ultimate Spider-Man" is decidedly comic as Peter Parker wakes up in Wolverine's body and visa-versa, but you have to let the dust settle on this one.
6 of 7 people found the following review helpful
Maximum Ultimate Carnage 1 Feb. 2005
By Steven R. Mann - Published on
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Great story... I was kinda expecting Eddie Brock to pop up out of nowhere and be the one responsible for setting Carnage free.. but it kinda looks like this Ben Reilly guy did it. Oh well. Great story, I'm glad it actually had a pretty good ending unlike the flawed Venom storyline... and plus, Bendis did a pretty good job of not just having elements from ONE classic storyline, not TWO.. try FIVE:

1. Death of Gwen Stacy

2. The Clone Saga

3. Carnage

4. Lifetheft (remember this one? Where Spider-Man fought an evil duplicate of his father?) and...

5. Spider-Man No More

No small feat. All in all, a great job by Bendis and Bagley.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
Powerful in it's simplicity. 13 Jun. 2012
By aniview - Published on
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I don't want to call this an "answer to the criticism" but I will address why I thoroughly enjoyed this book in spite of some of the negativity surrounding it. The ultimate goal being to possibly interest you into reading the story and creating an opinion of your own.

By far the number one issue fans of the series had was the pacing of Gwen Stacy's death along with the battle against Carnage. In my opinion the casualness of it all is what added the most to Ultimate Spidey. Gwen's death isn't out of the ordinary. It doesn't get a build up to it because death is part of Peter's world now. Things can only get worse. This isn't just a fantasy he's living out or a game he's playing. This is his life. The life of a superhero where tragedy will happen without a moments notice. Where drama takes a backseat to consequences.

He made a mistake and someone paid the price for it. That someone just happened to be another person who was very close to him. As much as people like seeing an angry Peter Parker that's never been the core of his character. He's not a rage filled sociopath looking for revenge. He's a self destructive time bomb who loathes his conscience for making him miserable. As far as he's concerned he's the one who killed Uncle Ben. He's the one who killed Gwen Stacy. He's the one who can't stop hurting Aunt May and Mary Jane. He's 15.

When you're 15 and everything is your fault, and you're confronted by the product of your own negligence (Carnage) your immediate instinct isn't to annihilate the seemingly immortal abomination of science trying to kill you. In my opinion Peter wasn't even there for that fight. His mind was still trying to cope with the realization that this wasn't the first, and won't be the last tragedy to befall him. That being Spider-Man won't get easier and day by day the odds of him hurting another loved one is increasing. It was only after the fight that he came to which is why the story was told through a flashback.

It's not that the comic itself is dumbing down. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Bendis is leaving more and more to subtext for you to interpret for yourself. He doesn't want to build up to a situation where he'll tell you how to feel during the climax and end definitively. He wants you to take what you will and decide what to get from it. This is volume 11 out of 22 and is a great turning point for the character.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
We Like It When Peter Gets Angry 17 Jun. 2009
By Tyler S. - Published on
Format: Paperback
I can agree on some criticisms of the book. I felt the Gwen Stacy sequence went by too quickly, but the reactions from her peers and the reactions of Peter and May were pretty accurate. This is the first time I've seen Carnage. I was impressed by his visual performance, I understand that he has a lack of personality due to plot. I thought that Carnage was a real human being behind the carnage, but this retelling is quite different. He is a science experiment with faint human influence. I assumed that Carnage would be my favorite villain, but my opinions quickly changed. I felt Carnage was done the weakest out of the villains thus far, but with such an array of well done antagonists I really can't complain so much.

What I love about this book is the character development for Peter Parker. A huge tragedy is inflicted upon Peter and his struggle is the most entertaining out of this volume. I love the attitude at the end, where Spider-man is done being comical. He now threatens criminals to give up the horrible things they do to give meanings to their lives. I found this approach very admirable. I've always wanted Parker to step out of being so funny all the time.

Beware, you might not like how the volume flows with Carnage and Stacy, but I doubt that you'll end up disliking the book. I liked it for Peter Parker's story. It is probably my least favorite of the series, but I still wouldn't give up reading the comics. If I may put it simply there's more to dislike & like in this book, than to hate or love. It is a mediocre additino.
5 of 7 people found the following review helpful
Bendis stops trying. (Minor Spoilers) 7 May 2007
By John G. - Published on
Format: Paperback
I'm a long time Spider-Man fan. My first comic book was a Marvel Tales reprint of an older Spider-Man issue. I've read all the Essential Spider-Man volumes in print thus far. While I'm not a fan of Spider-Man joining the Avengers or any of that nonsense, I love the character and what he represents.

I liked Bendis run on Daredevil. I felt it was the closest to Miller's in tone, and Maleev's art was some of my favorite in any comic, superhero or otherwise.

I give that introduction to make it clear I'm not bashing Bendis. This volume was the reason I've quit reading Ultimate Spider-Man. The "Hollywood" story was a stretch, but most of the stories that preceded that were very solid. They 'felt' like a good Spider-Man yarn: a young teenager, part-time worker at the Daily Buge newspaper and bookworm at school, and a masked vigilante by night, constantly forced to maintain a balance between his separate worlds. His supporting cast consisted of his Aunt May, girlfriend Mary Jane Watson, and orphaned housemate Gwen Stacy. Each has a counterpart in the 'real' Marvel universe, and each has a history associated with that character.

Ultimate Gwen Stacy was a smart alek, not unlike Peter in his costume. She's fiercely independent, though that same brashness hides a vulnerable side. She was by far the most interesting cast member outside of Peter himself, since Mary had been reduced to a part-time damsel in distress and full-time worrier. Without a thought, the science experiment gone awry named Carnage killed Gwen as if Bendis had to match the fate of one universe's counterpart to the other.

Ignoring the fact that Ultimate Carnage was an experiment born from the "Venom" arc and has no real human identity like the serial killer Cletus Cassidy, and ignoring that the climactic battle between Carnage and Spider-Man lasts only a few pages and doesn't give the rage Peter must be feeling due justice, Gwen's death feels placed; it's not natural, and it ignores the multitude of stories that could have been told with Gwen alive. And in subsequent volumes, her death goes almost unaddressed until very recently.

The reason I consider this volume such a misfire - the main reason - is what I stated earlier: Gwen had potential, and for all of that potential to be squandered in such a mediocre Frankenstein-esque story... it's unfortunate. It's sad that Gwen had to be the victim for nothing other than cheap shock value, when she could've been so much more, when there (apparently) wasn't a publisher mandate to keep Peter unmarried or unattached.
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