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Thirty-three meetings with Gurdjieff held at 6 rue des Colonels Renard, Paris, France. Unabridged.
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7 of 7 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
I'd read Patterson's 'Voices in The Dark' which contains transcripts from Gurdjieff's 1940's Paris meetings. And I don't know if you know but it is expurgated (which means matter has been removed thought to be objectionable). I'd figured that out because years ago I met P.L. Travers in 1987 in Chiswick where she used to hold little 'Work' group evenings. She's the lady who wrote Mary Poppins and had been/was a student of Gurdjieff and I tell you she was remembering herself always and everywhere; she had the invisible muscle. Anyway, she gave me a couple of evening's transcripts and I couldn't understand why the best bits (exercises) had been left out of 'Voices'. The 'index' begins. The Foundation or Mr. Patterson thinks it knows what's good for us, which I suppose is sweet in one way. So I bought this book mainly to see if it does the same thing and was delighted to find it is totally uncut. The names of questioners, dates of meetings, controversial passages and important exercises have not been omitted or edited out. The text is complete and intact. Nothing has been added - you get just what the transcriber wrote down on the night and what I really like are all the exercises. If you are a Gurdjieff aficionado/freak like wot I am I can highly recommend this book. Now let's shut up and remember ourselves for the rest of our lives. Mind how you go.
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
These transcripts, now in book form after 62 years, are some of the most authentic we can come across from Mr. Gurdjieff. His own books were translated, edited and re-edited during his life and also after he died. The transcripts are a translation from French and what Mr. Gurdjieff said in these meetings was also during the meetings themselves translated to French. A careful study of these texts can be rewarding.
Some years ago I was warned (by a senior member of a respected "official" Gurdjieff organisation) about publishing the texts on my website. (His words were an answer to my question why the transcripts had not been published.) I repeat the warning.
He had three main arguments against publishing:
* that there are enough authentic writings from Mr. Gurdjieff already available
* that those reading the transcripts will think that they have understood something and therefore not make the efforts to work
* that what was said was meant for those present and can easily be misunderstood by reading them
I don't have to explain why I was truly amazed at this and disappointed! To understand is wrong, to misunderstand is also wrong and to add to the couple of thousand pages already published of authentic material from Mr. Gurdjieff is also wrong!
Nevertheless - back to the book: to read anything it is wise to read slowly and like Mr. Gurdjieff advised about reading his main work Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson (All and Everything): first as one is accustomed to read the newspapers, then as if aloud to oneself and then one can study. This way it is not so much only the head that understands; one of the main messages in the transcripts and the exercises described in it and also in the whole of the Gurdjieff Work.
Mr. Gurdjieff said that his mission was "to live and teach so that there should be a new conception of God in the world, a change in the very meaning of the word" (the quote is in the A. R. Orage - A Memoir by Philip Mairet). This is for all of us to discover in the transcripts. When asked how he found his teaching he answered: "Perhaps I stole it!" Perhaps Mr.Gurdjieff "stole Christianity"! How could he do that?
There is more material in the book than in the notes that I have been reading and for those who are studying it is therefore a must. It is good to keep in mind that "the head is a luxury and only a policeman".
The important question, so aptly put by Reshad Feild is: who is the Gurdjieff of our time?
Some years ago I was warned (by a senior member of a respected "official" Gurdjieff organisation) about publishing the texts on my website. (His words were an answer to my question why the transcripts had not been published.) I repeat the warning.
He had three main arguments against publishing:
* that there are enough authentic writings from Mr. Gurdjieff already available
* that those reading the transcripts will think that they have understood something and therefore not make the efforts to work
* that what was said was meant for those present and can easily be misunderstood by reading them
I don't have to explain why I was truly amazed at this and disappointed! To understand is wrong, to misunderstand is also wrong and to add to the couple of thousand pages already published of authentic material from Mr. Gurdjieff is also wrong!
Nevertheless - back to the book: to read anything it is wise to read slowly and like Mr. Gurdjieff advised about reading his main work Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson (All and Everything): first as one is accustomed to read the newspapers, then as if aloud to oneself and then one can study. This way it is not so much only the head that understands; one of the main messages in the transcripts and the exercises described in it and also in the whole of the Gurdjieff Work.
Mr. Gurdjieff said that his mission was "to live and teach so that there should be a new conception of God in the world, a change in the very meaning of the word" (the quote is in the A. R. Orage - A Memoir by Philip Mairet). This is for all of us to discover in the transcripts. When asked how he found his teaching he answered: "Perhaps I stole it!" Perhaps Mr.Gurdjieff "stole Christianity"! How could he do that?
There is more material in the book than in the notes that I have been reading and for those who are studying it is therefore a must. It is good to keep in mind that "the head is a luxury and only a policeman".
The important question, so aptly put by Reshad Feild is: who is the Gurdjieff of our time?
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
This is one of the best books I have come across yet alluding to methods of the Work in the Fourth Way. Gurdjieff gives clear and definitive instructions in answer to his pupils questions.
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