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What would have happened if, for example, the Germans captured the whole of the BEF at Dunkirk? Or if the RAF had been defeated in the Battle of Britain? What if the U-Boats had strangled Britain with an impregnable blockade, if Rommel had been triumphant in North Africa or the Germans had beaten the Red Army at Kursk? The authors, writing as if these and other world-changing events had really happened, project realistic scenarios based on the true capabilities and circumstances of the opposing forces. Third Reich Victorious is a spirited and terrifying alternate history, and a telling insight into the dramatic possibilities of World War II.
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The authors are Dr Steven Badsey, Charles Messenger, John D. Burtt, Wade G. Dudley, John H. Gill, David C. Isby, Forrest R. Lindsey, Paddy Griffith, Gilberto Villehermosa and Peter G. Tsouras, who is also the editor of this book. Peter G. Tsouras is a senior analyst at the US Army National Ground Intelligence Center. His alternate histories are Disaster at D-Day, Gettysburg, The Hitler Options (as contributing author) and Rising Sun Victorious (as editor and contributing author).
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34 of 36 people found the following review helpful
Format:Hardcover
If you have an interest in the Second World War than this book is a must. It has a number of scenarios where various battles and campaigns that germany did badly in, went well for them. For example, what if Hitler had been in the German navy in WW1? For WW2, he might have realised that the key to making Britain keep out of the war was to cripple the Royal Navy.
Or what if Hitler had made sure to keep all the German nuclear physicists that fled for Britain and the US? Might he have developed the atom bomb before he was defeated and used it on London and Moscow?
What makes the book effective is that each scenario is written as if it were a history book and that is what happened. It never uses the words 'what if' - it pretends that the scenario is what happened. Only at the end does it say what really happened and how.
Or what if Hitler had made sure to keep all the German nuclear physicists that fled for Britain and the US? Might he have developed the atom bomb before he was defeated and used it on London and Moscow?
What makes the book effective is that each scenario is written as if it were a history book and that is what happened. It never uses the words 'what if' - it pretends that the scenario is what happened. Only at the end does it say what really happened and how.
A brilliant book in my opinion and a must-read for anyone with an interest in WW2
6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
Format:Hardcover
As a history buff for some fifty years, I have until relatively recently avoided these 'alternative' histories on the basis that they are mere fantasy, often driven by the ideological sympathies of the writer, but a chance purchase of Sid Meier's splendid computer game [[ASIN:B0002LIAJK Civilization III Deluxe Gold Edition: Civilization III + Play The World + Conquests + Fan Kit changed my opinion completely. Having now spent several highly enjoyable years attempting to build a civilization (Roman, Greek, British Empire, Soviet etc... that will 'stand the test of time', I am now clearly aware that chance events have sometimes influenced human history enormously; just one real-life example being the discovery of steam power in Roman times, and its rejection as 'economically unviable' in the slave based economy of those times!
When read from this viewpoint, 'Third Reich Victorious' raises some very interesting questions indeed. I now quote the summary printed on the cover:- "This book is a stimulating and entirely plausable insight into how Hitler and his generals might have defeated the Allies, and a convincing sideways look at the Third Reich's bid at global domination in World War II.
What would have happened if, for example, the Germans had managed to capture the whole of the BEF at Dunkirk? Or if the RAF had been defeated in the Battle of Britain? What if the Red Army had really been shattered in the summer of 1941 or if Axis forces had achieved the conquest of North Africa?"
The ten scenarios are:-
1. The Little Admiral, 1939.
2. Disaster at Dunkirk, 1940.
3. The Battle of Britain 1940.
4. The Storm and the Whirlwind.
5. The Hinge.
6. Into the Caucasus.
7. Known Enemies and Forced Allies.
8. Luftwaffe Triumphant.
9. Hitler's Bomb.
10.Rommel versus Zhukov.
Obviously World War II was a highly industrialized war, and as other reviews make clear, long term strategic economic/production decisions taken during the 1930's were crucial, with Britain's development of the Spitfire fighter and long range bomber fleets, Russian research into tank design and America's construction of a 'two ocean navy' all being of major significance to it's course and outcome. This makes some scenarios more plausable than others, but each is followed by a section detailing 'the reality' on which it is based. To my mind the most plausable are 2, 3, 4 and 8; which back up the points made by David Hoffman in How Hitler Lost the War [DVD] [Region 1] [US Import] [NTSC].
To conclude; this well written and highly entertaining book illustrates just how close Nazism came to emerging victorious from WWII; but Hitler and his generals misplayed the hand Fate had dealt them, with effects that have changed Western society irrevocably and for ever.
When read from this viewpoint, 'Third Reich Victorious' raises some very interesting questions indeed. I now quote the summary printed on the cover:- "This book is a stimulating and entirely plausable insight into how Hitler and his generals might have defeated the Allies, and a convincing sideways look at the Third Reich's bid at global domination in World War II.
What would have happened if, for example, the Germans had managed to capture the whole of the BEF at Dunkirk? Or if the RAF had been defeated in the Battle of Britain? What if the Red Army had really been shattered in the summer of 1941 or if Axis forces had achieved the conquest of North Africa?"
The ten scenarios are:-
1. The Little Admiral, 1939.
2. Disaster at Dunkirk, 1940.
3. The Battle of Britain 1940.
4. The Storm and the Whirlwind.
5. The Hinge.
6. Into the Caucasus.
7. Known Enemies and Forced Allies.
8. Luftwaffe Triumphant.
9. Hitler's Bomb.
10.Rommel versus Zhukov.
Obviously World War II was a highly industrialized war, and as other reviews make clear, long term strategic economic/production decisions taken during the 1930's were crucial, with Britain's development of the Spitfire fighter and long range bomber fleets, Russian research into tank design and America's construction of a 'two ocean navy' all being of major significance to it's course and outcome. This makes some scenarios more plausable than others, but each is followed by a section detailing 'the reality' on which it is based. To my mind the most plausable are 2, 3, 4 and 8; which back up the points made by David Hoffman in How Hitler Lost the War [DVD] [Region 1] [US Import] [NTSC].
To conclude; this well written and highly entertaining book illustrates just how close Nazism came to emerging victorious from WWII; but Hitler and his generals misplayed the hand Fate had dealt them, with effects that have changed Western society irrevocably and for ever.
28 of 31 people found the following review helpful
Format:Hardcover
So much has been written and yet so little is understood about military decisions in the Second World War. What if Hitler had been in the Navy? What if Rommel had served in the East? The Classic and misunderstood reasons for the German loss in Normandy; Hitler's faults and Rommel's restrictions? All of it silly and poorly understood. One might as well ask, What if England had a land boarder with France in 1940? Surely the Germans would have won then?
All of the chapters miss one crucial point; realism. Peter Touras wrote a book called Disaster at D-Day, in which he changed very little, save for a few key decisions on the Allied, rather than German, side. And this is the point. Authors focus far too much on what the Germans did or don't do rather on their capabilities. Could the Germans have carried out Sealion even if the Luftwaffe won the Battle of Britain. No. As the complicated tests as Sandhurst showed in 1974 (which used the eaxct plan and former German CAS').
Would Rommel have won the war in the East? No. Once agin the public's perception of Rommel, as with most German Generals, is a German genious undermined by his Fuhrer. Yet, for all Rommel's tactical ability, he was vey bad at operational art (logisitics and intelligence) and evn worse at formulating military strategy. This is perhaps why the German GS referred to him as "the best battalion commnader the German Army ever had".
Could he have defeated the Allies at Normandy? No. He might have contained them had he been given the appropriate forces, by Allied air, material and naval superiority would have seen the Germans defeated, as shown during very complicated re-runs of the senario in various military academies around the world. The Panzers would have been obliterated by Naval artillery (as at Anzio) if they had attempted to 'crush' the beachheads.
Could the Germans have won the battle of the Atlantic? Yes. But would this have saved the Third Reich in the East? No.
The German failures, both industrial, in terms of military strategy, and politically, was the core product of the defeats in 1914-1918 and 1939-1945. Failure sof production until 1944, failures in prioritising theatre of operations, failure in weapon procurement (producing specialised heavy tanks like the Tiger and Panther, instead of focusing on cheap Mk IV Panzers), failure to produce heavy bombers or have a U-Boat fleet fit for purpose by 1939), were all key.
In reality, the decisions were made in 1933-39. The Germans had lost the war before in had begun. This author, as with most others, seems to believe wars are fought and won purely on the Battlefield. It depends on whether the Germans turned south instead of east at Kiev, or south instead of east at Rostov. Tis is not the case. Alternate realities deserve more than this. Much more.
All of the chapters miss one crucial point; realism. Peter Touras wrote a book called Disaster at D-Day, in which he changed very little, save for a few key decisions on the Allied, rather than German, side. And this is the point. Authors focus far too much on what the Germans did or don't do rather on their capabilities. Could the Germans have carried out Sealion even if the Luftwaffe won the Battle of Britain. No. As the complicated tests as Sandhurst showed in 1974 (which used the eaxct plan and former German CAS').
Would Rommel have won the war in the East? No. Once agin the public's perception of Rommel, as with most German Generals, is a German genious undermined by his Fuhrer. Yet, for all Rommel's tactical ability, he was vey bad at operational art (logisitics and intelligence) and evn worse at formulating military strategy. This is perhaps why the German GS referred to him as "the best battalion commnader the German Army ever had".
Could he have defeated the Allies at Normandy? No. He might have contained them had he been given the appropriate forces, by Allied air, material and naval superiority would have seen the Germans defeated, as shown during very complicated re-runs of the senario in various military academies around the world. The Panzers would have been obliterated by Naval artillery (as at Anzio) if they had attempted to 'crush' the beachheads.
Could the Germans have won the battle of the Atlantic? Yes. But would this have saved the Third Reich in the East? No.
The German failures, both industrial, in terms of military strategy, and politically, was the core product of the defeats in 1914-1918 and 1939-1945. Failure sof production until 1944, failures in prioritising theatre of operations, failure in weapon procurement (producing specialised heavy tanks like the Tiger and Panther, instead of focusing on cheap Mk IV Panzers), failure to produce heavy bombers or have a U-Boat fleet fit for purpose by 1939), were all key.
In reality, the decisions were made in 1933-39. The Germans had lost the war before in had begun. This author, as with most others, seems to believe wars are fought and won purely on the Battlefield. It depends on whether the Germans turned south instead of east at Kiev, or south instead of east at Rostov. Tis is not the case. Alternate realities deserve more than this. Much more.
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Very good read
The book is essentially a what if look at if the Nazis or Allies had taken different decisions and those are then used to help play out certain scenarios such as Operation Sealine... Read more
Published 9 months ago by martin putt
Interesting
I read all the stories in one go (on a plane). I thought some of them were a bit far fetched, but on the whole I really enjoyed them. Small decisions that could change so much.... Read more
Published 18 months ago by Peter K
Interesting
I am not a history buff or anything. But I find it fascinating to read how some things panned out, when there was just a little change made or a small different decision. Read more
Published 24 months ago by Bolder
Nice collection of counter-factual scenarios
It used to be that historians looked down upon anybody who dared to write a 'what if' scenario for the public. Read more
Published on 6 Oct 2006 by Tim62
An interesting book of how Germany won the war
Imagine opening a history book, and rather than reading about the victories of Montgomery and the allies, you learn that Hitler won. This is how this book works. Read more
Published on 22 April 2002
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