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Philippa Gregory , David Baldwin , Michael Jones
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  • Hardcover: 352 pages
  • Publisher: Simon & Schuster Ltd; First Edition edition (15 Sep 2011)
  • ISBN-10: 0857201778
  • ISBN-13: 978-0857201775
  • Product Dimensions: 23.8 x 15.6 x 3.8 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.1 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (12 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 45,716 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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"An engrossing introduction to three courageous matriarchs who shaped English history." -"Publisher's Weekly"""

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Elizabeth Woodville, The White Queen (2009), Margaret Beaufort, The Red Queen (2010), and Jacquetta, Lady Rivers, The Rivers Woman (2011) are the subjects of the first three novels in Philippa Gregory's Cousins' War series, and of the three biographical essays in this book. Philippa Gregory and two historians, leading experts in their field who helped Philippa to research the novels, tell the extraordinary 'true' stories of the life of these women who until now have been largely forgotten by history, their background and times, highlighting questions which are raised in the fiction and illuminating the novels. With a foreword by Philippa Gregory - in which Philippa writes revealingly about the differences between history and fiction and examines the gaps in the historical record - and beautifully illustrated with rare portraits, The Women of the Cousins' War is an exciting new addition to the Philippa Gregory oeuvre.

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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
By takingadayoff TOP 1000 REVIEWER VINE™ VOICE
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When I saw a book by Philippa Gregory in the nonfiction section I thought it had been mis-shelved. And what was the Cousins' War? I've read a few books about the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries in Britain and Europe, but here was a war I'd never heard of.

I have to admit I have little interest in historical fiction, and haven't read any of Gregory's novels, but I was drawn in by the concept of this book. In doing research for her series about the Wars of the Roses, she found there were few primary sources dedicated to the women of the period. Secondary sources often downplayed the importance and influence of women. But there was no doubt that many women of the era were well-educated, politically savvy, and ambitious.

So Gregory decided to tackle some historical non-fiction for a change. Little has been written about the first subject of the book, Jacquetta of Luxembourg. As the mother of Elizabeth Woodville, she had a front row seat at the onset of the Wars of the Roses. I can imagine that anyone doing future research of Jacquetta will start with Gregory's book, which distills as much as is known of the Duchess into a readable narrative. Gregory doesn't speculate (any more than other historians) and while she chooses to skip footnotes as too academic for a book intended for general readers, she does include notes on sources and a bibliography.

Her other two subjects, Elizabeth Woodville (wife of Edward IV, mother of the two Princes in the Tower) and Margaret Beaufort (mother of Henry VII) already have academic biographies written by current historians, so Gregory enlisted those authors to write short, non-academic bios of the women. These are also very well done, although Woodville's biographer, David Baldwin chucked in too many chatty asides and exclamation points, giving his narrative a slightly patronizing tone.

In addition to the three biographies in this volume, Gregory's introduction is especially interesting. She describes how she came to do this book, as well as discussing the slippery nature of historical scholarship. It's easy enough to dismiss historical fiction as not being factual and taking liberties with fact, but historical fact is not easy to pin down either. You would think that after five hundred years, we would have the facts down about the Wars of the Roses, but every year brings new books, new information, new interpretations, and different analysis.

As William Faulkner wrote, "the past is never dead - it isn't even past."
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25 of 29 people found the following review helpful
By M. K. Burton TOP 1000 REVIEWER VINE™ VOICE
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For as long as men have been writing history, important women have been lost from its pages. Restoring all of them would be an impossible, lifetimes-consuming feat, but that doesn't mean some historians can't try. Building on the success of Philippa Gregory's novels set during the Wars of the Roses (which she calls "The Cousins' War"), she and two historians have written a book spotlighting three of the most important women during the war - The Duchess, Jacquetta, her daughter Elizabeth Woodville, the Queen, and Henry VII's mother, Margaret Beaufort, The Queen's Mother.

While reading this review, it's probably worth keeping in mind that I know a lot about the Wars of the Roses, even counting what I've forgotten since I actually finished studying it intensively, and have read many many books and articles on the subject, both popular and academic history. I have also been trained to write history myself. My experience may not match yours.

I love the idea of The Women of the Cousins' War in theory, but I'm ever so wary of it in actual historical practice. Unfortunately, this book actually justified my wariness. The introduction, written by Gregory, is very appealing. Starting off first with the difference, in her mind, between history and historical fiction, and followed up by why she chooses to write fiction, was actually a fascinating glimpse into her head. I didn't agree with everything she said about the writing of history itself, but I appreciated such a bold introduction that really argued her case. It had me looking forward to the book.

At that point, unfortunately, I began to be disappointed. None of the essays use footnotes OR endnotes, which left me wondering where on earth they'd actually got their information from. There is a list of sources and a messy list of acknowledgements and quotes at the end of each, but this is frustrating to wade through when looking for the source of any quote. Without knowing where each got information from, I hesitated to trust anything I was reading.

It didn't help that it started off with Gregory's essay about Jacquetta, the Duchess of Bedford who married a lower-class Woodville seemingly out of love and gave birth to the future queen of England, Elizabeth Woodville. To be perfectly fair to Gregory, she has very, very little to work with, but this is one of the fundamental flaws in this sort of "restoration" of some historical women. There just isn't much there. It's incredibly difficult to prise out anything about Jacquetta herself besides speculation. Gregory does a decent job of that speculating, but since I didn't know where any particular bit of information came from, whether it was an original source or not, I had no way to judge for myself what I thought about what she was saying. This particular bit reads, as you would imagine, as a factual tale about the more recorded people in Jacquetta's life without much genuine insight into who she actually was.

I also was frustrated by the fact that there is no engagement with the sources, particularly the primary sources. Instead of hearing "some say", I want to know who said it and what their motivation was. I wanted this book to further historical study, to make some sort of impact, not to just flatly tell me what happened. Gregory says she consulted the original sources, but aside from a few notes in the end, they don't feature.

The second essay didn't improve much on the situation. Enough is known about Elizabeth Woodville to actually make for an interesting biography, and some biographies have been already written about her, including one by this particular author. She also features heavily in other books about this subject, naturally. The essay was fair, and does include more information about the sources, and would be appropriate for someone who knows almost nothing about the subject. For me, it didn't help that this essay was the least well-written and I found it very difficult to keep my attention on the page, which is probably why I have little to say either way about it.

The last essay, however, was excellent. Michael Jones very obviously knows his subject, knows his sources, and is a wonderful writer. He rescues the whole book by actually backing up his speculation, thinking about where his information comes from, and considering Margaret's family history as well as the present. There still aren't any actual notes, but he amazingly separates the primary sources from the books in his source list (which neither of the others do) and makes it relatively easy to figure out what came from where, particularly since he's actually engaging with the historical record.

In fact, I feel like the third essay justifies my criticisms of the other two, because it did a whole lot more of everything I wanted without unnecessary length and certainly without becoming as dry as academic history can be. Yes, the book is intended to familiarize readers with these women, not as an academic study for other historians, but certainly they can do so while also writing worthy history. He provided a much fuller, more comprehensive picture of Margaret herself, backed up by everything he knows, and had me eager to read his full-length book on the subject.

I don't think I would recommend this book for anyone who has some knowledge of the period, as they'll know most of what's in it, but for newcomers and those who are looking for more information and a "popular" history this would suit. If you see it in your library and enjoy Philippa Gregory's books, I'd certainly recommend you read at least the introduction, as I feel it's really added to my understanding of the way she writes and considers historical fiction.
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I had long awaited this book, due to my fascination with the Wars of the Roses and being a fan of Philippa Gregory...However this book (which I refuse to call a historical essay, or such title) was a let down from start to finish.

The introduction treats the reader as if they are a child (telling us what fiction is! I think we know already), and drags on for 33 pages. The introduction could have been shortened to simply introducing the subject matter and highlighting what was to be explained in the rest of the book.

Firstly, Philippa Gregory writing about Jacquetta of Luxembourg, which was fine, but Gregory by that point had pretty much covered the period in which all three women appear, and so by the time I'd finished reading about Elizabeth Woodville I was sick of reading the same thing. Therefore I struggled though Margaret Beaufort, having already read the same story twice already (except for obviously Jacquetta's early life and what happened after her death).
Surely a better option would have been to shorten the book- maybe of had a paragraph on each battle and who was connected to who (to therefore take out the repetition of the battles), which could be referenced when appropriate. Then the writers could have focused on the characters of the women (their aim), and not bogged the book down with information repeated 3 times. I also think that all sources used should have been referenced at the bottom of the page, which is more sophisticated and useful than at the back.

Secondly, all three writers were bias about their subject, at times indicating that the women were perfect (which they deny in the book), and although it is common for historians to be bias, I felt that a first time reader of something alleged to be an historical essay could easily be mislead.

Thirdly, none of the writers wrote in an academic way (this was no academic essay!), which was a disappointment, as all three have been academically educated and Gregory has a doctorate. Therefore we'd expect that outside of fiction she would revert to writing how she was taught to. However it felt like none of the writers took the non-fiction very seriously, and Gregory goes off on a tangent at one point about the the weather in May! She therefore assumes and supposes and tries to make the biography a romance (maybe she forgot what she was writing, which shows she has been writing fiction for too long!).

Although my review seems harsh I am writing from a historians point of view ( I am currently taking my degree to become a historian). I can't deny Gregory's or the other writers qualifications, but it seems they either grossly underestimate their readers, or else have forgotten how to write a piece of historical non-fiction.
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The Women of the Cousins War
What a big disapointment. I love Gregorys books and devour them avidly. But this book just stuck like chewing gum on dentures. Read more
Published 23 days ago by Maria Yates
Gregory the weak link
This is an interesting take on a little-studied subject. It encompasses three biographical essays about the central characters of Philippa Gregory's historical fiction series on... Read more
Published 1 month ago by History Geek
Mildly enjoyable but not a serious piece of academia
Since this book is co-authored by three very different writers, it is best examined in three parts. David Baldwin is the author of the book's essay on Elizabeth Woodville. Read more
Published 2 months ago by Isis
Good read
I bought this because of Ms Gregory's efforts. It was not such a good read as her other novels, hard to read from end to end.
Published 3 months ago by Mrs. C. E. Cain
INTERESTING BACKGROUND
This book provides very interesting background information to the period as well as to the three books about these women. Read more
Published 3 months ago by NAPD
Sadly disappointing
Knowing Philippa's name from the historical fiction part of the bookshop, I had high hopes for this, the factual representation of the female characters to which the current series... Read more
Published 5 months ago by Gareth Wilson - Falcata Times Blog
Philippa Gregory should stick to historical novels
I despair!

In my opinion, historical biographies on women (and men) should only be written when they are important, enough information is available and the author has... Read more
Published 7 months ago by K. J. Greenland
Wonderful service
I have bought all these books as presents - so I am unable to comment on the story, but my daughter in law loves
anything by Phillipa Gregory - I have given five stars for the... Read more
Published 7 months ago by Mrs. V. A. GARDNER
expectations not met - not a must have book
Philippa Gegrory has written three historic novels on the Jacquetta of Luxembourg,Elisabeth Woodville and Margret Beaufort and this book is now inteneded to write proper, but short... Read more
Published 7 months ago by Amelrode
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