- Hardcover: 288 pages
- Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA (22 Jan 2007)
- Language English
- ISBN-10: 0195322835
- ISBN-13: 978-0195322835
- Product Dimensions: 23.8 x 16.4 x 2.5 cm
- Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars See all reviews (1 customer review)
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Although I read this book a little while ago, my overall impression was not that the author took a line like the (also British) philosopher, John Gray, that most assumptions of historical progress in technology are illusory and vain. David Edgerton's book leans toward the scholarly, and draws attention to the persistence of 'old' technologies, despite, for example, the better-publicised 'new' technologies such as genetic engineering or computer software.
The U.S. is actually marked out as one country where there is very significant recent technical innovation, whereas elsewhere the emphasis is still ostly on developing well-established technology. So it isn't just a British author thumbing his nose at the States!
The point about the Germans using large numbers of horse in WW2 is not that they successfully invaded Russia using them, but the paradox of an industrialised nation, with the use of railways (also 'old-tech' by the 1940s), motor-vehicles and aircraft still employing an army of pack-animals at a time of mechanised warfare.
The U.S. is actually marked out as one country where there is very significant recent technical innovation, whereas elsewhere the emphasis is still ostly on developing well-established technology. So it isn't just a British author thumbing his nose at the States!
The point about the Germans using large numbers of horse in WW2 is not that they successfully invaded Russia using them, but the paradox of an industrialised nation, with the use of railways (also 'old-tech' by the 1940s), motor-vehicles and aircraft still employing an army of pack-animals at a time of mechanised warfare.
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21 of 24 people found the following review helpful
A radically different view of the history of technology through the eyes of one of Britain's leading historians.
18 Mar 2007
Format:Hardcover
Every day each one of us is bombarded by commercial messages touting the latest and greatest products. You can now purchase a self-cleaning hot tub or a cell phone that can store and play thousands of songs. But just how much useful innovation is really taking place in the opening decade of the 21st Century? In "The Shock of The Old" author David Edgerton offers the somewhat controversial proposition that in spite of all of the hype what is happening today really is not all that innovative after all. Rather, Edgerton argues "judging from the present, the past looks extraordinarily innovative." The interesting arguments made by Edgerton are certainly worth exploring.
Whether discussing innovations in military technology, transportation, pharmaceuticals or consumer products, David Edgerton wants to find out not only how useful these technologies really are but also how much they are actually used. Although Edgertons writing style proves to be less than scintillating, his idea is certainly a fascinating one. For example, Edgerton argues rather effectively that rockets and the atomic bomb are two of the most overrated technologies in military history. The fact of the matter is that much older technologies such as airplanes, the rifle and heavy artillery remain to this day the most prolific tools of war. Indeed, Edgerton even goes so far as to suggest that had the United States directed more of its resources to traditional weapons like these instead of the atomic bomb then World War II might have actually been concluded much sooner. And while the German V-2 rocket was capable of delivering a one ton warhead to a target some 200 miles away it was certainly not very cost effective. In fact, Edgerton quotes Michael Neufield who has written extensively about the V-2 project that "more people died producing it than died from being hit by it." It is apparent to the author that many of these highly touted new technologies were vastly overrated by those in charge on both sides in World War II.
Throughout "The Shock of the Old" David Edgerton argues that the most innovative times in history were around the turn of the century and during the years between the great World Wars. He cites example after example of how technologies developed during these periods continue to play a key role in the lives of people all over the world, particularly those in poorer nations. He takes a look at a variety of industries including shipping, meat-packing and automobiles. He also warns those who are counting on future breakthroughs to solve all manner of problems such as energy, health concerns and global warming to think again.
I found "The Shock of the Old" to be a bit tedious at times and somewhat repetitive. Perhaps this is due to the complexity of the subject matter. Nevertheless, it is a book that offers much food for thought. This is a scholarly work that deserves your consideration.
Whether discussing innovations in military technology, transportation, pharmaceuticals or consumer products, David Edgerton wants to find out not only how useful these technologies really are but also how much they are actually used. Although Edgertons writing style proves to be less than scintillating, his idea is certainly a fascinating one. For example, Edgerton argues rather effectively that rockets and the atomic bomb are two of the most overrated technologies in military history. The fact of the matter is that much older technologies such as airplanes, the rifle and heavy artillery remain to this day the most prolific tools of war. Indeed, Edgerton even goes so far as to suggest that had the United States directed more of its resources to traditional weapons like these instead of the atomic bomb then World War II might have actually been concluded much sooner. And while the German V-2 rocket was capable of delivering a one ton warhead to a target some 200 miles away it was certainly not very cost effective. In fact, Edgerton quotes Michael Neufield who has written extensively about the V-2 project that "more people died producing it than died from being hit by it." It is apparent to the author that many of these highly touted new technologies were vastly overrated by those in charge on both sides in World War II.
Throughout "The Shock of the Old" David Edgerton argues that the most innovative times in history were around the turn of the century and during the years between the great World Wars. He cites example after example of how technologies developed during these periods continue to play a key role in the lives of people all over the world, particularly those in poorer nations. He takes a look at a variety of industries including shipping, meat-packing and automobiles. He also warns those who are counting on future breakthroughs to solve all manner of problems such as energy, health concerns and global warming to think again.
I found "The Shock of the Old" to be a bit tedious at times and somewhat repetitive. Perhaps this is due to the complexity of the subject matter. Nevertheless, it is a book that offers much food for thought. This is a scholarly work that deserves your consideration.
8 of 10 people found the following review helpful
Worthwhile subject but uneven treatment
23 Nov 2007
Format:Hardcover
While I wouldn't go as far as calling Edgerton a "Guardian Slock" I do believe his arguments would have been more convincing had they been more factual and less cherry-picked to support his initial premise, which to be honest wasn't completely clear to me after awhile but I think had to do with certain inventions through history being overrated, which I agree with. And I also think the most important question he raised was how can these inventions be so important if it's only the rich countries of North America, Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. that use them and the rest of the world the majority of humanity aren't able to afford them.
Personally I believe that many of our so-called technological advances become popular not so much because we have a need for them or that they make our lives easier but because big business can make big bucks off of them. Case in point cell-phones, cell-phone cameras, cell-phone ring tones, etc. Not exactly an earth shattering relevation. But things like electricity, metal airplanes, washing machines, etc., I have to say contrary to what Edgerton would have his reader believe are kind of better than what preceded them. I thought he was joking when he was trying to argue that wooden airplanes were just about as good as those made from metal. Can you imagine a 747 made of wood? And I think he was also serious when trying to point out that the fact that the German Army in WWII used 625,000 horses in their invasion of the Soviet Union somehow proved that motorized vehicles were not as significant during the war as we might have been led to believe by most historial accounts. The Germans lost bitterly in the Soviet Union. The Germans may have used horses but seeing as how they didn't win it really isn't a great argument for their being especially effective. Personally, I think it's very possible that air travel and motorized warfare themselves haven't been exactly beneficial to mankind, and whether or not they are better or worse than the technology that directly preceded them is immaterial.
Overall I think this book is worthwhile reading, and the digs at Americans are probaby good for those of us who may not be aware of how the rest of the world see us. But I think Edgerton suffers to some extent from the same problem that radical writers on the Left like Chomsky and on the Right like Lynn Cheney have in that they use historical information to back up their arguments and don't bother to double check to make sure the information is correct. In some cases they may not care and are more interested in convincing the reader of their view than of providing factual information.
Personally I believe that many of our so-called technological advances become popular not so much because we have a need for them or that they make our lives easier but because big business can make big bucks off of them. Case in point cell-phones, cell-phone cameras, cell-phone ring tones, etc. Not exactly an earth shattering relevation. But things like electricity, metal airplanes, washing machines, etc., I have to say contrary to what Edgerton would have his reader believe are kind of better than what preceded them. I thought he was joking when he was trying to argue that wooden airplanes were just about as good as those made from metal. Can you imagine a 747 made of wood? And I think he was also serious when trying to point out that the fact that the German Army in WWII used 625,000 horses in their invasion of the Soviet Union somehow proved that motorized vehicles were not as significant during the war as we might have been led to believe by most historial accounts. The Germans lost bitterly in the Soviet Union. The Germans may have used horses but seeing as how they didn't win it really isn't a great argument for their being especially effective. Personally, I think it's very possible that air travel and motorized warfare themselves haven't been exactly beneficial to mankind, and whether or not they are better or worse than the technology that directly preceded them is immaterial.
Overall I think this book is worthwhile reading, and the digs at Americans are probaby good for those of us who may not be aware of how the rest of the world see us. But I think Edgerton suffers to some extent from the same problem that radical writers on the Left like Chomsky and on the Right like Lynn Cheney have in that they use historical information to back up their arguments and don't bother to double check to make sure the information is correct. In some cases they may not care and are more interested in convincing the reader of their view than of providing factual information.
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
Progress Is Overrated
4 Jan 2011
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The history we are taught in school, held to be common knowledge, is almost always wrong, and nowhere is this more true than with the history of technology. Growing up in the United States, I was taught that everything was invented in America: that Howe invented the sewing machine, Fulton the steamboat, Morse the telegraph, and Edison invented the incandescent light bulb everything else. Of course, none of that is true, and my favorite books are everything-you-know-is-wrong books which correct our assumptions of how modern life came to be. "The Shock of the Old" is one of the best of these, and it is full of examples of how inventions developed in unexpected places. For example, he points out that in 1895, there were more automobiles running on the streets of Barcelona than there were in New York (or Detroit).
But is it all accurate? For the most part, detailed source notes are provided, but then Edgerton makes such statements as that prior to 1939 only Great Britain and Germany had broadcast television. I suppose that by 1939, he refers to the public demonstration of television at the New York World's Fair, but prior to that Britain's broadcast television was from the Baird Television company, which employed the *mechanical* capture and reproduction of a moving image using a spinning disk system invented in 1883 by German engineer Paul Nipkow.
This is the second book I've read (the other being The Industrial Revolutionaries: The Making of the Modern World 1776-1914) that was written by a Brit whose intent seems to be to counteract the collective egotism of Americans by minimizing (or ignoring) American innovations. Can't anyone simply state the facts without a hidden agenda? I am certainly no great patriot, but I think that it's undeniable that Edgerton means to take America down a notch here.
In addition to that, the book is poorly organized. Yes, there's a wealth of information worth knowing, but it seems to be in no particular order -- certainly not chronological. This makes for fun reading for short periods, but then the avalanche of facts begins to pall.
On the plus side, Edgerton writes in clear, flawless English, something seemingly beyond the capability of many American authors.
But is it all accurate? For the most part, detailed source notes are provided, but then Edgerton makes such statements as that prior to 1939 only Great Britain and Germany had broadcast television. I suppose that by 1939, he refers to the public demonstration of television at the New York World's Fair, but prior to that Britain's broadcast television was from the Baird Television company, which employed the *mechanical* capture and reproduction of a moving image using a spinning disk system invented in 1883 by German engineer Paul Nipkow.
This is the second book I've read (the other being The Industrial Revolutionaries: The Making of the Modern World 1776-1914) that was written by a Brit whose intent seems to be to counteract the collective egotism of Americans by minimizing (or ignoring) American innovations. Can't anyone simply state the facts without a hidden agenda? I am certainly no great patriot, but I think that it's undeniable that Edgerton means to take America down a notch here.
In addition to that, the book is poorly organized. Yes, there's a wealth of information worth knowing, but it seems to be in no particular order -- certainly not chronological. This makes for fun reading for short periods, but then the avalanche of facts begins to pall.
On the plus side, Edgerton writes in clear, flawless English, something seemingly beyond the capability of many American authors.
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