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The Real Bravo Two Zero: The Truth Behind Bravo Two Zero [Paperback]

Michael Asher
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  • Paperback: 272 pages
  • Publisher: Phoenix; New Ed edition (13 Feb 2003)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0304365548
  • ISBN-13: 978-0304365548
  • Product Dimensions: 11.1 x 2.2 x 17.8 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.4 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (36 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 68,160 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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The Bravo Two Zero mission, in which an eight-man SAS patrol was discovered many miles behind Iraqui lines and had to make a run back for the border and safety, is probably the most famous incident involving British troops in the Gulf War. Two bestselling books--Bravo Two Zero and The One That Got Away--were published and two of the soldiers, using the pseudonyms "Andy McNab" and "Chris Ryan", were launched into new careers as writers. Even the most uncritical reader of the two books would have been aware that some artistic licence had been employed. What Michael Asher claims is the truth about Bravo Two Zero is, however, astonishing. Asher, fluent in Arabic and familiar with the ways of the desert Arabs, travelled to Iraq 10 years after the Gulf War and re-traced the steps of the SAS patrol, finding Bedouin eyewitnesses to events. There is an almost comical disparity between McNab and Ryan's version of the mission and the version Asher reports. According to McNab, when the patrol was discovered, it was by Iraqi soldiers and a furious firefight ensued with the SAS men downing a dozen or more men before fleeing. According to Asher, the mission was "compromised" by three Arab locals, one of them a man in his 70s, and the SAS wisely decided that discretion was the better part of valour and withdrew. According to Ryan, on his lonely journey to the Syrian border, he was obliged to kill two Iraqis, one with his bare hands. According to Asher's sources, he omitted to mention this at his initial de-briefing. One of Asher's aims in his book is to rehabilitate the reputation of Vince Phillips, one of the dead. Most readers of this book and of the tale told by the Arab who discovered Phillips's body will probably decide that he has done so. Yet Asher does not seem motivated by a desire to denigrate the heroism of McNab and Ryan. We get the heroes we want and Asher understands that the Rambo-like exploits they reported were what we, and the media, demanded of them. Their real heroism, respected by both Asher and the Bedouins to whom he spoke, lay in their powers of endurance and determination when utterly isolated and alone, hundreds of miles inside enemy territory. In The Real Bravo Two Zero Asher has written a far better and more humane book than either of the two he deconstructs, but he still seems to understand why McNab and Ryan produced the books they did.--Nick Rennison --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

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THE REAL BRAVO TWO ZERO is now in the top 10 bestseller list and has received a brilliant review in FRONT MAGAZINE: 'Asher reveals fact from fiction and gives the full, no-bullshit account of what actually happened. Superbly written and researched, this is a gem of recent military history that shouldn't bemissed.' FRONT MAGAZINE, April 03 'Michael Asher, ex-SAS man and desert specialist discovered some glaring inconsistencies in the best-selling Gulf War books by Andy McNab and Chris Ryan. Retracing their steps across the Iraqui desert, Asher pieces together what really happened. Far from the supposed heroics of the now-millionaire writers, he tells of McNab's botched planning, poorleadership and a sorry attempt to pin the blame on a dead patrol member. Thewhole truth is very difficult to know, but this is a timely and humane book nevertheless.'JACK magazine, April 03 'The classic international best-seller now in paperback. What really happened when the now famous eight-man SAS patrol went behind enemy lines in the Gulf War? This really is the true story of the SAS operation that made millionaires of the two men in the patrol... Intelligence sources say this is a powerful 'expose' of the men called 'McNab' and 'Ryan'.'EYE SPY Vol II, issue 16, 2003 'SAS Trooper Michael Asher's powerful re-telling of the truth behind Bravo Two Zero and The One That Got Away raises serious questions as to how tall were these two tales in the first place.Asher, a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and fluent Arabic speaker, describes how he follows literally in the footsteps of the famous patrol. We are also asked how gullible are we and also how credible is Asher. The conclusions either way are disturbing.' * * * * SCOTTISH LEGION NEWS, April/May 20

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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
The *Other* Side 23 May 2004
Format:Paperback
Being a fan of Asher's other works and having devoured McNab's and Ryan's books on the ill-fated patrol, I poured through this with interest.

Asher seems to make it a point to take the Arab side in every detail he finds, acting in the role of counsel for the other side. He sparingly credits the patrol members with performing above-normal acts of heroism and endurance.

The writing is good. His cross-referencing of McNab's and Ryan's books is air-tight. The on-the-ground research is detailed in that he followed the patrols' paths. However, in the field, he assigns each Bedu he meets with the highest virtue and credibility. Though the some of the claims of distances covered and contacts made by Bravo Two Zero are easily debunked, it is not well-balanced to trust the Bedu in every detail.

It does seem the patrol could have been better prepared by each of them studying some Arabic, learning about the Bedu, rechecking comms and having a firm E&E plan. The patrol was extremely far behind enemy lines and this was their first contact under such circumstances so some decisions probably, in retrospect, were not optimal. However, these men were on the ground making out the best they could at the time given their lot.

This is well worth a read. The fog of war assures that the details of each patrol members' accounts will be lacking in some regard. But it should be remembered, Asher easily located the Bedu involved in contacts with the patrol, proving that the Bedu were not so inaccessible as to be exempt to subjection to Iraq.

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16 of 17 people found the following review helpful
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Having served in the Army, I'm suspicious of accounts like this, even one by a Para and SAS veteran like Michael Asher. But to be honest, I was already suspicious of the previous accounts by B20 partol members McNabb and Ryan. So I bought this book, and overall, I'm glad I did, though saddened by some of what Asher seems to have found.

Ex SAS officer General Sir Peter de la Billiere's Gulf War memoir has a concise account of the B20 mission, concentrating on Ryan's tremendous escape. Funny thing is, "DLB" left out the most dramatic single epsode in Ryan's later book, where, now alone, the latter turns at bay and engages and smashes up 2 jeep-loads of pursuers, at night. There's no convincing security, military or other reason why "DLB" would leave this out. It's hard to avoid concluding that Ryan must have made it up later.

This book now leaves it hard to avoid the conclusion that the patrol members' books did a lot more "sexing up" of their already-dramatic stories, for publication.

Main weakness of this book, I think, is that Asher sets out with an agenda - to prove that patrol member Sgt Phillips didn't merit Ryan's unfavourable portrayal - even tho it's a noble agenda, starting with one can cloud judgement. Also I reckon Asher sets just a bit too much stock in differences between the other accounts - complete agreement is not going to happen, even with professionals. Others criticise him, despite Asher being alert to just this point, for being rather too ready to take the word of Arab civilians and policemen in Saddam's Iraq - who basically say that the tales of shootouts are either exaggerated or just invented.

But the point is, that the Arab/Bedouin accounts just ring more true. The more so, because they don't in any way denigrate the performance of the patrol on the ground, or your admiration for their utter tenacity. In fact, at one point, his Bedouin hosts seriously slag off Asher's Iraqi army minder when he puts down the patrol, the Arabs saying they were brave men and good soldiers. Amen to that. Some who doubt the reliability of the Arab witnesses speak of the unliklihood that 3 armed civilians could put the patrol to flight from the original location, but they didn't, the mission had already gone wrong and the patrol executed a pretty textbook bug-out, just as they should have, in the later stages under fire from the 3 Arabs who included 2 very experienced Iran-Iraq war vets. No shame there, just good, solid soldiering, concluding with a successful "break contact". No need to make up a tale of a massive firefight with APCs taken out and vanloads of Iraqi soldiers going down in a hail of gunfire. But it seems likely that's what they did - they made it up. Or McNabb did, and others followed.

Like Napoleon said, the most important quality for a soldier is not courage, it's endurance - a particular form of courage to be sure. The B20 guys were exceptional soldiers and showed true courage, in all its forms, as this book makes clear. Regardless of the fact that some mistakes may have been made, in mission prep or elsewhere. Hard to fault them, later on, for trying to eke out their livlihoods after leaving the service by telling their stories. Especially after their rather better paid former boss, General "DLB", did much the same. It's just rather sad that they seem to have been unable just to tell it like it was, which was heroic enough, and in Ryan's case apparently, selling short the memory of a dead comrade.
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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
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First of all let me say I was a huge fan of Michael Asher's book Shoot-to-Kill which certainly pulled no punches in regard to the Spartan nature of Parachute Regiment training in the 1970s and I reread it several times (it actually put me off the paras and when I eventually went to Sandhurst it was for the RMP). One thing I'd say though is that he should read either the Saville report or Douglas Murray's book on Bloody Sunday, the Paras were right, they were fired on first.
In this book he essentially debunks the various version of the Bravo-Two-Zero story written by members of the patrol. Now I'm debunking him.
In Andy McNab's first account he states that in their initial contact with the enemy the eight man patrol was engaged by a full enemy company (100-120 men) and two armoured personnel carriers which they destroyed. In his version of events his fellow SAS soldier Chris Ryan states that they were initially fired upon by a pair of local militiamen who were then joined by about a dozen more in a truck. He also heard the machinegun of an armoured car which he did not personally see but Mike Coburn who was also in the patrol did. Lastly they were attacked by the soldiers at a nearby artillery position using their anti-aircraft guns in the ground to ground role. According to ex-SAS soldier Michael Asher who returned to Iraq and interviewed the local people the patrol was attacked by exactly 3 local militiamen who were all veterans of the Iran/Iraq conflict.
So who is telling the truth and who is lying?
In Chris Ryan's account he states the battle started when he waved to the militiamen in order to try to fool them that they were friendly troops but he made the mistake of using his left hand which no Arab would do (in Middle Eastern culture it would be considered an insulting gesture to wave or shake hands using the left). McNab never mentions this but it's possible he simply never saw it due to his position or that he was looking the other way at the time, covering his respective arc of fire on the flank whilst Ryan who first in line in the patrol would be always scanning ahead. The militiamen who Michael Asher interviewed, having never read Ryan's book, also mentioned this detail, giving impressive credence to their story. But if they are telling the truth it suggests that 3 men armed with assault rifles could take on and defeat 8 men armed with assault rifles, machineguns, grenade launchers and anti-tank rockets in a stand up fight which seems extremely unlikely. Also it rathers beggars belief that the hundreds of Iraqi soldiers at the nearby anti-aircraft positions which all accounts agree were there simply ignored this massive gunbattle occuring on their doorstep.
So is Andy McNab telling the truth or is Chris Ryan? Or Mike Coburn? Very possibly they all were, the men were hundreds of yards apart in the midst of a life or death firefight with loud explosions, gunfire, smoke and clouds of white phosphorous running hell for leather whilst trying to carry extremely heavy loads, Ryan saw things McNab and Coburn couldn't see and vice versa due to the terrain and their recall was of what was important to them at the time which obviously differed between the three. They both saw completely different bits of the same battle and described it accordingly, like the old fable of the blind men trying to describe an elephant by touch. McNab may never have been aware of the prescence of the local militiamen because Ryan was first in line and he was some ways behind him, by the time McNab was engaged in the running battle the soldiers at the anti-aircraft battery had joined in and they were the focus of his attention. Mike Coburn says he saw an armoured car firing a machine gun and two truckloads of Iraqis. Certainly the Iraqis at the artillery position would have needed some form of military vehicles to tow their anti-aircraft guns. Morever it would be weeks before any of the patrol could sit down and make a comprehensive written record of what had actually happened during which time McNab and Coburn were subject to a series of intense firefights, hypothermia, physical exhaustion, dehydration, capture, horrific torture and the death of three of their comrades. Meanwhile Ryan endured an arduous week long solo trek through the Iraqi desert (including inadvertently giving himself radiation poisoning from a contaminated spring and being forced to kill 2 men with his knife and bare hands) which left even a superfit and tough SAS trooper like himself a physical and emotional wreck. McNab and Coburn were also incarcerated for a considerable time with their fellow patrol members meaning that they would have swapped stories about what happened and influenced one another's recollection.
My point is that numerous witnesses can see the same thing and describe it countless different ways, they're not necessarily lying. This tends to be what the public and press can never understand in court or inquires, they expect everyone to have perfect recall and to have all seen the same thing, when they don't people begin to see conspiracies where there are none (Oliver Stone I'm talking to you!). It should be noted that in Mike Coburn's account he backs up Andy McNabs version of the taxi incident which Asher disputes.
So I'm prepared to give the members of the patrol the benefit of the doubt, combine their three accounts and you probably get an accurate picture.
As for McNab's controversial decision not to take vehicles I'd point out that the other two patrols which did take vehicles had to abort their missions immediately whilst Bravo20 were able to remain undetected for up to two days.
The thing that differentiates Ryan's account from McNab's and Coburns is that he is a lot less charitable towards patrol member Vince Philips than the others. Also I dislike Ryan's attitude that they shouldn't have conducted the mission until everything was ideal, that's not the real world, if they'd have waited until everything was perfect they'd never have gone at all and the mission would be a failure before it started.
Asher conducts his interview 10 years after the event with the Iraqi secret police looking over the shoulder of his interviewees. And frankly if I read in his book one more time how honourable the Bedouin are and how he understands them I'm going to scream! I just spent a 6 month tour in the middle east this year and actually I've found quite the reverse, especially when it comes to martial feats.
One thing I would say is that it's wonderful that Asher actually comes on Amazon to discuss his books, few authors seem to have the courage to do that
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A good story
I read the one star reviews that were quite damning mostly due to asserted factual issues. I'm not going to enter that debate but I would say that if you can put that aside it... Read more
Published 2 months ago by Champers
Interesting, but with an agenda to settle....
It's very clear reading this that from the start the Asher has an agenda to settle.
Which frankly I believe to be a serious misjudgement in the other two's writings. Read more
Published 5 months ago by Jon Dawrant
The real Bravo Tow Zero
This book is trying to answer some of the questions that are raised during the reading of Andy Macnab "Bravo two zero", the one that got away (Chris Ryan) and soldier 5. Read more
Published 15 months ago by yisrael
Fascinating, but flawed.
Having read 'Bravo Two Zero' some time before this particular book, I was quite convinced by McNabs account, I simply had no reason to doubt him. Read more
Published 17 months ago by Adam Hogan
A Titans lament
"We are the Pilgrims master: we shall go
Always a little further: it may be
Beyond the last blue mountain barred with snow,
Across that angry or that glimmering... Read more
Published on 2 Mar 2010 by G. P. Tanner
the real b20 truth will never be known.
After reading the two books by mcnab and ryan, and found the whole story absolutely fascinating. i happened upon this book by accident. Read more
Published on 16 Jan 2010 by Mr. D. J. Reeves
Thought provoking
It is important to remember that historical events, particularly 'glorious failures' such as the Charge of the Light Brigade and the Bravo Two Zero patrol will forever be subject... Read more
Published on 7 Nov 2009 by Mr. J. A. Bearman
Dont just accept what is said
I have read both Brave Two Zero and The Real Brave two zero.
What I would say is, read the books and make up your own mind, It might be difficult to accept, but at the end of... Read more
Published on 19 Oct 2007 by Mr. Ronald G. Brown
What a waste of money!
Trying to disprove the SAS soldiers real account of what happened 10 years later is a bit far fetched in my eyes, stories have a tendancy to get changed as they get passed on! Read more
Published on 7 Oct 2007 by Mr. C. B. Johnson
A fairy tale
Michael Asher travels through Iraq speaking to Bedouins and Iraqi Police officers and government officials looking to debunk Andy McNabs and Chris Ryans accounts. Read more
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