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The Lost Empire of Atlantis: History's Greatest Mystery Revealed [Hardcover]

Gavin Menzies
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15 Sep 2011

After a chance conversation in Egypt in 2008, bestselling historian Gavin Menzies launched himself on a quest that would reveal the truth behind the mystery of Atlantis and her destruction.

Through an examination of documentary and academic research, metallurgy, ancient shipbuilding and navigation techniques, artefacts and DNA evidence, Menzies slowly and painstakingly reveals a trading empire that spanned from the Great Lakes in North America to Kerala in India. And in doing so finally explains the incredible reality behind the legendary civilisation described by Plato and its disappearance.

Reading like a real-life Indiana Jones story as ex-Royal Navy submarine captain, Menzies travels round the world in pursuit of his goal, this is epic, iconoclastic popular history.


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  • Hardcover: 400 pages
  • Publisher: Swordfish (15 Sep 2011)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0857820052
  • ISBN-13: 978-0857820051
  • Product Dimensions: 15.3 x 3.5 x 23.4 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.8 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (16 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 306,113 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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intriguing hypothesis (THE INDEPENDENT 20130119)

The book is best viewed as an adventure story, trailing a fascinating but tantalisingly obscure lost ancient civilisation all over the world. It's tremendous fun, and captures a compelling portrait of the Minoans, pieced together by evidence. (ENTERTAINMENT FOCUS 20130125)

Menzies's theory on why the Minoans disappeared so abruptly is fascinating. (THE LADY 20130208) --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

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The bestselling author of 1421: THE YEAR THE CHINESE DISCOVERED THE WORLD uncovers the truth behind the mystery of Atlantis.

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18 of 22 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Just Idle Speculation 2 Mar 2012
Format:Hardcover
Surprising no one this book is filled entirely with speculation presented as fact, and fact treated as merely an inconvenience. We are entering the realm of pseudohistory and any attempt to wring out "facts" is bound to be confusing. Gavin Menzies is a former naval officer whose previous books (1421 and 1434) revealed how a culture (China)'s forgotten naval past was responsible for discovering America and stimulated the Italian Renaissance. Looking back even further he found another culture who's pattern in no way resembles the one in his previous book. The Atlanteans (Minoans)' forgotten naval past was responsible for discovering America and stimulated civilization throughout Europe. Amazing.

So his unfounded assertions are these:
1. The Atlanteans were really Minoans.
2. They not only discovered America but ran a major copper mine in Lake Superior.
3. They built Stonehenge and every other stone circle in Europe, but never on their own soil.

His evidence for such earth-shattering conclusions is:
1. The Minoans used copper of 99% purity. Only in Lake Superior is a copper mine of this purity known.
2. That's it.
3. No really, that's it. There is nothing else.

Aside from the fact that I question his basic assertion on that copper thing, proving that the Minoans did any of these things requires finding archaeological finds of a recognizably Minoan type in at least some of the sites in question. In fact, the evidence from all of these sites is that they were built by their own indigenous cultures. Stonehenge is built in the same basic manner as dozens of wooden henges scattered throughout Britain, including the numerous ones built on the same spot centuries earlier. There are other similar monuments scattered throughout Europe. It does not require the Minoans to explain that. Especially since he considers them a naval people and Stonehenge is located thirty miles inland. Many of the others are located even further from the sea. The equation of the Minoans with the Atlanteans is hardly a new idea. Unearthing Atlantis made the same assertion in a much more realistic and speculative manner.

The Lake Superior copper thing is the most extreme of his beliefs. It may come as a surprise to an ex-naval officer but facts do have to be backed up. Finding a source of copper that matches the purity of copper implements does no more than suggest a possibility. When the possibility requires activity far beyond the capabilities of a Mediterranean Bronze Age civilization it becomes an impossibility. The Minoans existed on a few islands in the Mediterranean. They didn't have the human or financial resources necessary to create the massive fleet and permanent outposts that he describes, nor did they have a reason to do so. If one has to choose between a copper mine of reasonable purity only a few hundred miles away (in Turkey for example, where we know they existed), or one on the other side of the globe then which one would you expect them to choose? And how were they supposed to have known such a mine existed anyway? They would have to have had a colony there to begin with. It just doesn't make sense.

Other techniques for proving his thesis include sailing around looking for landmarks from paintings. This at least sounds like a fun activity (especially for a naval man), but it just won't wash. He's searching for the main naval base, the 'Admiralty House', that he assumes existed. He assumes it existed because "without doubt the Minoan's military strength came from their navy." Since nothing is really known for sure about the Minoan military (there are no translated written sources) such an assertion is just an assumption. Certainly there's nothing surviving in their artwork to indicate the scale or organization of their forces or even whether they had a standing navy or simply commandeered merchant ships when needed. More to the point for his search, when Thera erupted it irrevocably changed the shape of the island. Half of it is now under water and the city itself is buried under hundreds of feet of ash that now forms part of the land and has changed the coastline of the remaining section of the island. So he's searching for a naval base that would be buried under hundreds of feet of earth in a landscape that has changed unrecognizably since the Minoans left it. Good luck with that.

But even he recognizes that Santorini can't account for all of Atlantis. So he posits that Plato's Atlantis is actually composed of three separate places:
1. "Atlantis' metropolis was really Santorini"
2. "The island in the Atlantic as big as Libya and Egypt was in fact America."
3. "Atlantis' manufacturing base and breadbasket was Crete."
So after thousands of years of entirely oral transmission these places were conflated into one. Again, no evidence. Just Plato's description (and possibly invention) of a prehistoric civilization for the purposes of a story on ethics, which has been taken way way too seriously by so many people over the centuries. Atlantis is an attractive myth, so there are always going to be people trying to locate it. But the fact that none of them agree with each other should tell you something. So I'm ending this review by repeating his last words: "Most important of all - what do you think?" If you read this book make sure you do your own thinking, because the reasoning here is extremely sub-par.
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2 of 3 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars Disappointing... 14 Nov 2012
Format:Hardcover
I've just read this book. I had read criticisms of his work so I thought I'd give him a shot.

To be fair he is an interesting writer. However imho this book is more of a travelogue, a journey of self-discovery, than anything remotely resembling original research or conclusive evidence. As a travelogue it works quite well. He does introduce names of academics who have published works of interest for Diffusionists. Diffusionists are people who accept the possibility of ancient esp. trans-Atlantic trade and travel well before Columbus. Also trans-Pacific. I am quite happy to accept his premise that the Chinese could have sailed around the world and sparked the Renaissance in Europe. Anyone who reads The Genius of China by Robert Temple, or When China Ruled the Seas by Levathes, or Gods From the East by Mertz will already know about these possibilities.

However this is the problem. He seems to try to make certainties out of possibilities without any more conclusive evidence. The copper ingot story from the Great Lakes remains just that, a possibility. He discovers that the Minoans traded with Egypt, makes a big thing of this. But this is standard history - nothing new. He tries to make out that ancient Phoenician maps if such they are, were Minoan, but adduces no further evidence for this. This is largely because the evidence for Minoans from the Linear A period is extremely thin on the ground. So his entire work is highly speculative. He leads up the garden path on a number of issues without reaching conclusions based on any new evidence. Annoying.

He therefore lays himself open to attack by those conservative academics who want to 'debunk' any diffusionist theory before it sets sail. And in this way does the Diffusionist school no favours. I am a convinced Diffusionist and so felt doubly disappointed by his effort. He started interestingly with some observations about the ship fresco in Thera corresponding to the geography of the island. That was new and interesting. But after that the book seemed to go downhill. I'd read it all somewhere else before and much better presented elsewhere.

I won't say 'don't bother'. Its worth a read. But borrow it from the library before buying, and see whether its worth the price.
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8 of 12 people found the following review helpful
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One needn't really go any further than looking at the cover of this book to be struck with wonder that it ever even made it to print: the Phaistos Disc, depicted on the front, is broadly accepted in academic circles to be a forgery, and even if it were genuine it would be impossible to decipher without either further samples or parallel texts. The very fact that none of his academic contacts listed in the acknowledgements section mentioned this to Menzies seems to cast rather severe doubt upon his credibility from the start! The next nail in the coffin of this sucker's guide to the Aegean Bronze Age can be found in the dedication of the book, which the author claims to have transliterated into Minoan Linear A - another undeciphered script, which the author in his blurb claims to have deciphered, presumably along with the Phaistos Disc script (at least in the blurb provided on the hardback version's dust jacket - the Amazon one seems slightly less absurd with its claims). As a classicist with a keen interest in the development of writing in the Aegean, I raised an eyebrow and turned the table of contents, perplexed that such a breakthrough had slipped beneath the notice of the world-leading experts in the field who have been telling me for the past two years that nobody has the first substantiable idea of even the language of Linear A, let alone a decipherment. "Decipherments of Linear A," they have so often said, "are the preserve of quacks." Oddly enough, they weren't proven wrong: Menzies seems very quick to forget that particular outlandish claim, and there doesn't seem to be a mention of it under any of his enigmatic chapter headings. In the absence of a comprehensible written record of the period, we're left to rely on archaeology, from which there is simply no proof, and indeed very little indication, that people from Bronze Age Crete had the means or incentive to travel across the Atlantic, or even beyond the Aegean, given that all the materials a culture in their stage of development required were readily available from much more local sources, of whom it is actually possible that the Cretans had knowledge. If you actually want to learn something about this period of prehistory, avoid books with such sensationalising titles. This might make a decent novel, though!
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5.0 out of 5 stars Atlantis explained
A fascinating and imaginative account which links together disparate facts into a cridible whole. Worth anyone`s money and a deeply satisfying read
Published 2 months ago by Jack Bell
5.0 out of 5 stars Most interesting...
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Published 3 months ago by Bob Perks
1.0 out of 5 stars dont be duped by pseudo history books
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Published 4 months ago by L. Ferguson
4.0 out of 5 stars Before History
The book brings to mind that History does not begin with the Romans,
and International Trade existed before written history
Published 5 months ago by R Gough
4.0 out of 5 stars research systems
Having read gavin menzies other books, i was quite eager to read this one.
I have found his work interesting because, he dared come up with new paths to history. Read more
Published 6 months ago by the nagual
5.0 out of 5 stars Gavin has done it again
After having enjoyed 1421 I couldn't wait to follow Gavin in applying his analytical eye and mind to this one. And I was not disappointed. Read more
Published 10 months ago by Mrs Ilona Bharwani
4.0 out of 5 stars Acceptable answers in questionable questions.
Although some of the questions are still there, the way the book ts written, gives to the the reader,more questions to find more answers. Very good Bibliography. Read more
Published 12 months ago by stamatis v.
3.0 out of 5 stars atlantis theory just about stays afloat
I have read Gavin menzies before (1421. 1434)
the lost empire of atlantis is another turn around this sailing post
menzies a former naval officer who dreams of... Read more
Published 16 months ago by mark1000
5.0 out of 5 stars Atlantis returns
Another absorbing book from Gavin Menzies comprehensively researched and packed with challenging thoughts and ideas - as always a can-t put down book from a magnificent author
Published 17 months ago by Terence C. Chilvers
5.0 out of 5 stars The Possible Link between Megalithic Circles & Minoan Culture.
Gavin Menzies has already proved his credentials with his book '1421'. I, as a person who has more than a passing interest in the Megalithic monuments of Europe, was extremely... Read more
Published 18 months ago by Richartt.
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