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'A well thought out, brilliantly told, historically accurate and definitive work...Simply the best of its kind.'
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'Andrew Davies evokes the energy and excitement of gang life, their pride, their loyalty to each other, their love of fighting and their brutal excesses.'
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15 of 15 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
Gangs with knives, the occasional firearm, judges too soft, sentences too lenient and innocent bystanders maimed, injured and murdered. Not the gang culture of the early 21st century but the reality of Manchester in the late nineteenth century where stonings and stabbings (even of policemen)were far too common and prison kept the riff raff off the streets until they served their two, four or six month sentences to return to their violent pastime of "scuttling".
The problems faced then remain unchanged now, youngsters with too much time on their hands, the practice of obscene communications (long before Channel 4!) undermining social respect, teenagers (girls as well as boys) being involved in what they perceived as peer approved behaviour and, above all, the ready availability of alcohol in the days before the introduction of limited hours. If ever proof of "four generations and back to clogs" were needed, 24 hour licensing provided it.
Although there were some racial and religious elements involved, the gangs were (as today) largely territorially based. Many of those in their early teens claimed to be adults in order to avoid a five year sentence to the Reformatory School, where discipline was strict, rather than the inside of Strangeways where the maximum sentence for assault by an adult was likely to be six months or less.
Underpinning it all lay the English tradition of fighting for the sake of it (the beer merely increased the incidence). For many living in the city which coined the term "Acid Rain" as early in 1872, it was the only energetic outlet of drab lives and much of it was mischievous rather than criminal in intent.
The introduction of alternative forms of recreation such as Lads' clubs and the Boys' Brigade played a part in changing attitudes and activities. Ultimately it was discipline (either in the form of military service or, in many cases, marriage) which saw young men drained of their capacity for violence and finally settle down.
There was a large degree of self interest against change. Rather like the saloon keeper in High Noon, publicans were less interested in keeping law and order as keeping their customers (however bawdy) happily supplied with alcoholic beverages.
What is perhaps surprising is that ideas of how to punish offenders were as diverse as now. Not all judges considered jail as the first option, many recognised the need for social reform and the introduction of social and legal structures which could be respected by all sectors of society.
Andrew Davies has written a first rate history of late nineteenth Manchester and Salford, evoking a culture which was still prevalent in the early 1950's in the schoolyard and society as a whole. What's more he has made it readable and lively while maintaining the highest level of scholarship. Well worth buying. Indeed, a bargain.
The problems faced then remain unchanged now, youngsters with too much time on their hands, the practice of obscene communications (long before Channel 4!) undermining social respect, teenagers (girls as well as boys) being involved in what they perceived as peer approved behaviour and, above all, the ready availability of alcohol in the days before the introduction of limited hours. If ever proof of "four generations and back to clogs" were needed, 24 hour licensing provided it.
Although there were some racial and religious elements involved, the gangs were (as today) largely territorially based. Many of those in their early teens claimed to be adults in order to avoid a five year sentence to the Reformatory School, where discipline was strict, rather than the inside of Strangeways where the maximum sentence for assault by an adult was likely to be six months or less.
Underpinning it all lay the English tradition of fighting for the sake of it (the beer merely increased the incidence). For many living in the city which coined the term "Acid Rain" as early in 1872, it was the only energetic outlet of drab lives and much of it was mischievous rather than criminal in intent.
The introduction of alternative forms of recreation such as Lads' clubs and the Boys' Brigade played a part in changing attitudes and activities. Ultimately it was discipline (either in the form of military service or, in many cases, marriage) which saw young men drained of their capacity for violence and finally settle down.
There was a large degree of self interest against change. Rather like the saloon keeper in High Noon, publicans were less interested in keeping law and order as keeping their customers (however bawdy) happily supplied with alcoholic beverages.
What is perhaps surprising is that ideas of how to punish offenders were as diverse as now. Not all judges considered jail as the first option, many recognised the need for social reform and the introduction of social and legal structures which could be respected by all sectors of society.
Andrew Davies has written a first rate history of late nineteenth Manchester and Salford, evoking a culture which was still prevalent in the early 1950's in the schoolyard and society as a whole. What's more he has made it readable and lively while maintaining the highest level of scholarship. Well worth buying. Indeed, a bargain.
17 of 18 people found the following review helpful
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Whether or not you're a Mancunian, this books makes facinating reading.
The book brings home to life the harsh existance and lack of opportunties for the working classes in the hey day of Industrial Manchester and Salford, that led to the rise of the Scuttlers.
As a Salford resident, I learnt a lot about the area in which I live that I simply wasn't aware off. The people and places (many of which I know) are brought vividly to life - I've already had quite a few conversations in the local pub about the events portrayed and the people involved.
Now that I've read the book, I would love a follow up on what happened to the Scuttlers in later life and wouldn't it be good to meet the modern day descendants of the "King" of the Scuttlers and get their view on their infamous ancestors.
The book brings home to life the harsh existance and lack of opportunties for the working classes in the hey day of Industrial Manchester and Salford, that led to the rise of the Scuttlers.
As a Salford resident, I learnt a lot about the area in which I live that I simply wasn't aware off. The people and places (many of which I know) are brought vividly to life - I've already had quite a few conversations in the local pub about the events portrayed and the people involved.
Now that I've read the book, I would love a follow up on what happened to the Scuttlers in later life and wouldn't it be good to meet the modern day descendants of the "King" of the Scuttlers and get their view on their infamous ancestors.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
Good read, obviously lots of research....was hopeful it would explain some unanswered family history questions I had...it hasn't yet but plenty of school for thought
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great
Exactly what the description said it would be. Really enjoyed the book.
Would recommend the book for anyone interested in gangs
Would recommend the book for anyone interested in gangs
Published 6 days ago by lucy
What changes?
Gangs never go away,do they? The cover could be a young Salfordian/Mancunian today! Knowing many of the areas in Salford & a few in Manchester made the book even more readable for... Read more
Published 20 days ago by Tarxien
A good read.
Amazing how lawlessness reigned in Manchester in relatively recent times. A good read, sometimes repetitive, but none-the-less compelling. Society at it's most roubled.
Published 7 months ago by Andy Y
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i found this book very interesting, nothing has really change in over a hundred and fifty years only the attire
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I came across this book when researching our family history. It was informative and interesting to read and helped 'place' our ancestors into a real way of living - all the horrors... Read more
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After being a Student at the University of Manchester , to return to the city via this really interesting book has been a great journey for me . Read more
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I heard a lecture by the author, an Academic from the North West, and enjoyed the clarity of the research he had done for the book but also the entertainment value so rushed out... Read more
Published 20 months ago by June
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Excellent research uncovers the history behind the half-forgotten stories of the scuttlers of Ancoats and Angel Meadow, Openshaw and Gorton. Read it.
Published 22 months ago by Jack Spot
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Fascinating book dealing with issues I'd never come across before. It's as though these issues were treated in a very Victorian way & not discussed in the way they would be... Read more
Published on 20 Mar 2009 by A. J. Wood
Interesting but no historical masterpiece
'The Gangs of Manchester' is an historical account of the late 19th century criminal youth gangs of Manchester and surrounding areas. Read more
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