Do not bother with these things. They are awful!! Size 5? Only if you're an elf living in hobbit land. About half the size of my normal shoes! Plus they had silver pen marks on them. Plus they're badly made. Plus the claim about the cotton bag eliminating shoe boxes? They came in a bag, in a box, in another box. Brilliant! Sort of put me off buying shoes on the internet. I get the idea and intent of the product, but it has to be good too! And that - it ain't I'm afraid. Sent them back.