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  • Orchestra: Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
  • Conductor: Carlos Kleiber
  • Composer: Franz Schubert
  • Audio CD (10 Feb. 1997)
  • SPARS Code: ADD
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Format: CD
  • Label: The Originals
  • ASIN: B000001GXE
  • Other Editions: MP3 Download
  • Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (4 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 33,060 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

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Listen  1. Schubert: Symphony No.3 In D, D.200 - 1. Adagio maestoso - Allegro con brioCarlos Kleiber 9:03£0.79  Buy MP3 
Listen  2. Schubert: Symphony No.3 In D, D.200 - 2. AllegrettoWiener Philharmoniker 2:45£0.79  Buy MP3 
Listen  3. Schubert: Symphony No.3 In D, D.200 - 3. Menuetto (Vivace)Wiener Philharmoniker 3:40£0.79  Buy MP3 
Listen  4. Schubert: Symphony No.3 In D, D.200 - 4. Presto. VivaceWiener Philharmoniker 6:00£0.79  Buy MP3 
Listen  5. Schubert: Symphony No.8 In B Minor, D.759 - "Unfinished" - 1. Allegro moderatoCarlos Kleiber14:06£1.89  Buy MP3 
Listen  6. Schubert: Symphony No.8 In B Minor, D.759 - "Unfinished" - 2. Andante con motoWiener Philharmoniker10:42£1.49  Buy MP3 

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DGG 449745 2; DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON - Germania; Classica Orchestrale

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9 of 10 people found the following review helpful By NAJ on 18 May 2009
Format: Audio CD
I totally disagree with "A Customer"'s review... In fact, while I find Beecham's recording of the 3rd and Furtwangler's both eighths (DG & EMI) marvelous, Kleiber's recordings come from a different world. He takes all the music with an incredible wit and pushes the musicians (YES) to incredible limits. I always have a "breathless" feeling when I listen to his recordings (and I have every single one of them, including some pirate CDs from Memories and else). But this is Kleiber... He is more in the Toscanini vein, but I love every single note he displays. And, the most important is that we HEAR THEM ALL (the notes & the instruments). Despite the high (too high sometimes) speed in the 3rd movement of the 3rd symphony, you still can hear all instruments with unbelievable precision.

Great recording of the 8th as well. I do recommend it to set aside recordings of FURT (the ultimate master) or Klemperer in the 8th, and Harnoncourt in the 3rd.
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3 of 4 people found the following review helpful By Harry Callahan on 28 Aug. 2011
Format: Audio CD
Beautiful as it is, for me Schubert's "Unfinished" is one of those pieces which has become a touch over-familiar over the years. At a stroke Kleiber's performance sweeps all that away and compels you to listen to it afresh. It takes a very special musician to achieve something like that and they didn't come any more special than Kleiber, the conductors' conductor. I'd dock him one star for playing the slow movement of no.3 too fast, but that's a minor point in the context of the disc overall. The "Unfinished" is the star of the show here, and the Vienna Phil.play it for Kleiber as if their lives depend on it (as they do in his magnificent Beethoven 5th - what a coupling THAT would make).

Don't miss this.
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1 of 3 people found the following review helpful By Dr. Anand Ramachandran on 8 Mar. 2014
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Schubert;s music is largely tender and elegiac. I am afraid this sounds far too relentless and hard driven. The shrill early digital recording does not help. For a moving Unfinished, listen to Gunter Wand or Colin Davis.
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22 of 54 people found the following review helpful By A Customer on 7 Jan. 2002
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Considering the myth surrounding Carlos Kleiber, I was severely disappointed by his interpretation of Schubert's 3rd symphony. All the tempos are way too fast, sometimes absurdely so. In some instances, you can even hear the players wanting to play slower but being pushed on by the conductor. In contrast, the ritartandi are exaggerated. And the balance of instruments is not natural, it sounds like a lot of changes have been made after the recording in the mixing room. The Menuett, originally a dance tempo, is so fast that nobody would want to dance to it. If it weren't for the superb sound of the Vienna Philharmonic (and of course the genius of the composer) you could not listen to this music at all.
There is a great recording of the 3rd (along with the 5th and 6th) by Sir Thomas Beecham and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. When you hear it compared to this interpretation it really is a revelation.
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30 of 31 people found the following review helpful
5 stars, but this is for Carlos Kleiber's fans: more about Kleiber than Schubert 16 Dec. 2005
By Alan Majeska - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
I gave Carlos Kleiber's 1978 recording of Schubert's "Unfinished" and 3rd (D Major) Symphonies 5 stars, but this is definitely for Kleiber's fans: and more about Kleiber than Schubert. Carlos Kleiber has become a cult figure with almost pop star following among music lovers the world over, largely because of his very small discography and frequent cancellations of live performances the last 20 years of his life. There is a certain mystery about Kleiber, and more is pondered about what he DIDN'T DO, as what he DID, both in recordings and live performances.

Carlos Kleiber (1930-2004) recorded these Schubert Symphonies 3 and 8 with the Vienna Philharmonic in 1978 for DG. The recorded sound is excellent, and the Vienna musicians play like angels. But be warned: in Symphony 3, the allegros are really FAST, and sound rather hasty after awhile. The Allegro section of I and IV sounds almost brutal, and as though Kleiber wanted to get through it as fast as possible. II is also the quickest I have ever heard, and is over with in just over 2 minutes. III, the Minuet, is also very fast: not for those who like Beecham and Bohm, with a slower, more stately minuet.

Symphony 8 is more in the mainstream, but lacks the intensity of Bruno Walter (Sony), Solti/Vienna (Decca), Bohm/Berlin (DG) or Bernstein/Concertgebouw (DG). Even though there is nothing wrong with Kleiber's interpretation, somehow this seems lacking compared with the above greater recordings.

So, if you are a Carlos Kleiber fan and want all his recordings (and there aren't alot of them) this is for you. If you are more interested in the best recordings of Schubert, go for Bohm/Berlin (DG), Beecham/Royal Philharmonic (EMI), Halasz/Failoni Orchestra (Naxos) for Symphony 3; or Walter/New York (Sony) or Bernstein/Concertgebouw (DG) for Symphony 8.
12 of 12 people found the following review helpful
It's All In The Details 17 Feb. 2008
By Katherine Dunham - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
These two symphonies give you the light and the dark of Schubert. In order to really enjoy this recording one must listen very carefully to the inner voices. Pianissimos are so soft you can barely hear them. Pauses are just slightly longer than expected and one of Kleiber's strengths is bringing out passages that one ordinarily doesn't hear. Also, this is one of the more muscular renditions of Schubert. Rhythmically the 3rd is a joy. Be prepared to dance. Someone should have tied this man down and made him conduct more. Since listening to him, I've completely lost my taste for overblown, exaggerated romantic symphonies (except for Karajan). This recording belongs in every serious musician's library (and everyone else's as well)!
42 of 52 people found the following review helpful
A bit hard-pushed 30 July 2001
By Tom Gauterin - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
While I am generally quite a fan of Carlos Kleiber's work, I find that this recording of the 'Unfinished' symphony misses a dimension. Kleiber seems to have decided to adopt a similar approach to that which he used so successfully in his recordings of Brahms's 4th and Beethoven's 5th and 7th, but the 'Unfinished' symphony is a very different animal to what are generally fast-paced works calling for quite a hard-driven interpretative style. Kleiber emphasises Schubert's marked dynamic contrasts to extremes(the pianissimos are particularly quiet) but, after a while, this becomes wearing and feels a bit inconsequential. Having conducted the symphony on a number of occasions, I have come to realise that grading the dynamic contrasts as each movement progresses lends a much greater sense of cumulative power to the work; rather than blasting the first fortissimo as much as possible, as Kleiber does, I think it is better to hold something back for the repeat and recapitulation. The latter is emphasised by the addition of timpani but, here, Kleiber conveys no sense of this being the final descent into the abyss. That Kleiber's approach does not produce such dramatic results as he might have intended is clear from certain structural details; at the start of the development, for instance, the descending scale on cellos and basses that can sound so ominous is nowhere near as powerful as it can be, simply because Kleiber rushes his fences and doesn't allow time for the sense of foreboding to regster. The second movement is even less appropriately dealt with; it is taken rather faster than the marked 'andante con moto' and, consequently, the resigned beauty of the movement, very much in the spirit of Schubert's B flat piano sonata, is not as moving as it should be. Kleiber does achieve an admirable sense of stillness at the very end but, again, he misses many opportunities along the way; the horn solos just before the return of the main theme, for instance, are not nearly as sensitively shaped as they could have been(and, as in the first movement development, that this is in the buildup to an important structural point makes it all the more important that they should be). Although Kleiber's view can be seen as a valid one then, taking the music of a dying syphilitic as some kind of nervous and febrile utterance and thus pushing the symphony so hard and calling for such extreme dynamic contrasts every time, the interpretation relies on the dramatic moments rather than driving the work as a whole into one's consciousness. Gunter Wand's marvellous recording with the Berlin Philharmonic does all the things Kleiber misses and, although I realise that this is a matter of personal preference as much as anything, I can't help thinking that Wand- whose tempi are consistently slower but whose whole conception of the work is so much more powerful- gets a good deal closer to what Schubert must have had in mind. The third symphony fares altogether better with a similar approach, however. Written when Schubert was only 18, it has an inherent freshness and verve that benefits from Kleiber's tempi (which, as the Amazon review suggest, are often strikingly faster than what one expects)and rhythmic spring. Although elegant and polished, Sir Thomas Beecham's famous recording of the third symphony (on EMI) feels a little heavy after listening to the sense of fun that Kleiber imparts here. The Beecham approach is not 'wrong' in any way but, as the booklet notes say, Kleiber's fresher interpretation is perhaps more appropriate to such a youthful work. Three stars, then, for a fine rethinking of a neglected early work; for the 'Unfinished,' Gunter Wand's recording remains a clear first choice.
13 of 17 people found the following review helpful
Kleiber was not at his best in Schubert 4 May 2002
By A Customer - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
I agree wholeheartedly with the reviewer below who finds these interpretations too driven. There's something to be said for Kleiber's intensity, and of course the Vienna Philharmonic's playing is gorgeous. But I think that the intensity and "driven" quality of Kleiber's approach work better in his recordings of the Beethoven 5th and 7th and the Brahms 4th than they do here; the "Unfinished" calls for intensity, to be sure, but it must be matched by lyricism. I would suggest that listeners looking for a more balanced approach to this work look to Karl Böhm's recording with the Berlin Philharmonic, available in an inexpensive boxed set of all the Schubert symphonies or with the 9th on a super-budget Eloquence CD; I find it an exceptionally natural approach, lyrical and warm yet never lacking dramatic tension.
10 of 13 people found the following review helpful
Rocking and Rollicking Interpretation 13 Oct. 2000
By Christopher Smith - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
As with his recording of Beethoven's fifth and seventh, Kleiber's interpretation of Schubert's "Unfinished" takes a tempo that brings out the searing, steely intensity of the piece, and it succeeds brilliantly. He also chooses a brisk pace for the much lesser known third, and here it has a different but equally successful effect. The third is a happily unselfconscious symphony, and Kleiber brings out its innocence and energy perfectly. I think many conductors try to infuse Schubert's early symphonies with an earnestness that's not there, and I'm glad Kleiber chose to go with what I for one feel Schubert's intentions for this piece were. A good counterbalance to Kleiber's interpretations is Karl Bohm's forthright and convincing series, which I had on LP's a number of years ago but which don't seem to have appeared on CD yet. I hope they come out in the near future.
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