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some of it is dated now, some is still current 8 Sept. 2010
By Stephen Bang - Published on Amazon.com
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I read Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences by Norman Geisler and Ralph MacKenzie, then I read Roman Catholicism: Evangelical Protestants Analyze What Divides and Unites Us. The first, being written by a two person team, is more consistent. It follows a pattern of explaining a Roman Catholic doctrine, briefly giving a list of the Roman Catholic arguments in favor of the doctrine, giving a longer evangelical response to each Roman Catholic argument, then giving additional evangelical arguments. It mostly discusses official Roman Catholic theology, based on the Council of Trent and other infallible writings of the Roman Catholic Church.

The second book, Roman Catholicism, is a collection of 13 essays. It is about 100 pages shorter, but some of the essays, especially the first six, are more technical and difficult to read. It is not as structured with lists of arguments, and the writing is less uniform because of the various authors. One idea that came up several times is that Roman Catholics define "justification" differently from evangelicals. For Roman Catholics, it includes both the initial justification of a person, plus the life-long process of becoming more Christ-like - what evangelicals call sanctification. For evangelicals, justification occurs once, at the beginning of a person's Christian life, and it is followed by the life-long process of sanctification. This is a constant source of misunderstanding, and occasionally I thought some of the writers of this book lost track of it. Roman Catholicism describes the theology of the Council of Trent, various creeds, writings of popes and other councils, Vatican I and Vatican II, writings of twentieth century liberal Roman Catholic theologians, and the practices and beliefs of the laity.

Which book is better? If I had read just one of these books, I would have to choose the Geisler book, Roman Catholics and Evangelicals, because it is easier to read. But Roman Catholicism has a lot more historical information that is very valuable and some of it is reasonably easy to read. Both books are written from a conservative viewpoint.

The following is a brief review of each of the thirteen chapters. These make the review longer than what is usually acceptable. You should not feel obligated to read all thirteen reviews.

Part 1: The Historical Background
1. One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Covers the very early church, the early creeds, the church fathers. It requires quite a bit of prior knowledge to understand it. On page 27, it says "Tertullian's traducianism in anthropology virtually demands the monergism of reformation thought, but his soteriology was disorganized and shows little coherent development." I only partially understand this. Not all of the chapter is that intellectual. Some of it would require an advanced degree in theology or ministry to understand it.
2. How did the Church in Rome become Roman Catholicism? The first part of this chapter was difficult for me to understand. It mentions Anselm and Abelard and the way Anselm argued the existence of God. Then come the Mass and Penance, Prevenient Grace, the tension between the Aristotelian view of Thomas Aquinas and the Platonic view, mediated and causal grace, nominalism, "the recurring pattern of return back to moralism and away from Christ" in the Protestant churches (page 59), the difference between regeneration and justification, the role of "means of grace" in spiritual growth (sanctification) versus conversion. I found myself understanding a paragraph or two, then getting pretty lost in the next couple of paragraphs. It does not seem to be a very cohesive chapter.
3. What really caused the great divide? Based on three of Calvin's writings, which deal with worship, salvation, sacraments, and church government.
Part 2. The Theological Issues
4. Roman Catholic theology today. This chapter indicates that there is some difference between the official doctrines of Rome and the theology that is taught in Roman Catholic seminaries and in theological books. Theologians try to harmonize theology with the Enlightenment. (page 86) Roman Catholic theologians display as much diversity as evangelical theologians. (page 90) The most influential Roman Catholic theologian is Karl Rahner. When Rahner writes, he affirms that the traditional teaching of the Roman Catholic church is binding, he states the traditional teaching, then he explains what the teaching can mean to us today. (page 94, 98) In this third step, he can explain away the traditional teaching and present something much different. Rahner coined the phrase "anonymous Christianity", which seems to embrace pluralism and universalism, the belief that someone who has never heard the gospel can be saved. (page 108) Rahner speaks of "the divinization of the world as a whole," which seems to be a form of pantheism and a blurring of the difference between Jesus and the rest of us. (page 109)
5. Mary, the saints, and sacerdotalism. This chapter is more readable than some of the others. It covers doctrines that are secondary, relative to justification. It is pointed out that Roman Catholic doctrine on Mary has grown over time, much of that growth starting during the reformation with the Council of Trent. This growth in doctrine has widened the chasm between Roman Catholics and Protestants. The author vigorously (but politely, and without unnecessary emotion, I think) refutes the Roman Catholic doctrines on Mary, the saints, and sacerdotalism (the power of priests as essential mediators between God and mankind.)
6. Is Spirituality Enough? Spirituality is defined as "the way we live out our vocation under the cross of Christ." So it is what we do. It starts with a survey of different kinds of spirituality - primitive/animistic, rational/philosophical, mysticism, nomism. Then it discusses the influence of Hellenism (Greek philosophers and their language) on Catholicism. In a section titled "Gains and Losses in the Reformation" it says "Worship came to be centered exclusively in the written and proclaimed Word, and the visible Word became an appendage to the service of worship rather than its fulfillment (as in Luther and Calvin)." (page 153) I don't know what the visible Word is, here. The chapter discusses grace, favoring a Calvinist view. The evangelical view of spirituality, and works, is explained, "Spirituality in the evangelical sense is not the precondition for salvation but its fruit and consequence." (page 156) I thought this chapter was difficult to read, and hard to see what was the central point of it.
Part 3, The Common Ground
7. Unhelpful antagonism and unhealthy courtesy. The unhelpful antagonism mentioned here is mostly from the past, some from the very distant past. As when Pope Boniface VIII said, in 1302, "It is absolutely necessary for every human creature for salvation to be subject to the Roman pontiff," and in 1648, when the Westminster Confession said that the pope is "the man of sin and son of perdition." The problem nowadays is that postmodernists don't think there is objective truth, or, if there is objective truth, it is extremely hard to determine truth, so why haggle over doctrines. It mentions that some of the strong Roman Catholic doctrines have "escape clauses." For example, it is necessary to be baptized, except there is an escape clause, and the sacrament of penance (reconciliation) is necessary except there is an escape clause.
8. Evangelical and Catholic cooperation in the public arena. Written by Ronald Nash (now deceased), this chapter has some strong statements that some (not me) would say are outspoken or over-the-top, which are directed toward various liberals. "a member of a Southern Baptist church occupies the White House, and large numbers of evangelicals and Roman Catholics are appalled by what they see as his contribution to the continuing decline of morality in America." (page 181) (And this was written in 1995, before the Lewinsky affair.) "Because evangelical and Catholic political liberals act in such harmony with their allies in the dominant liberal media and the major power structure in the Democratically controlled Congress and White House and the predominantly left-wing faculty on college campuses, they do not worry about such attacks." (page 190) The theme of the chapter is that conservative Roman Catholics and Evangelicals should work together on the social issues that they agree about.
9. What shall we make of ecumenism? Some disagreements between evangelicals and Roman Catholics are caused by misunderstanding - often because they use different definitions of important words. Other disagreements are caused by real differences in doctrine that will probably never be reconciled. Roman Catholics and evangelicals define "justification" differently. For evangelicals, it is the beginning of Christian life, the moment when one believes and is justified by faith. For Roman Catholics, it means this, plus the process of sanctification. The author, Alister McGrath, seems to equate sanctification and regeneration (page 203), a concept that is foreign to me.
Part 4, The Way Ahead
10. No place like Rome? Some well known evangelicals have converted to Roman Catholicism and it looks like the trend will continue. Often, the reason is either the subjective look and feel of Catholicism ("smells and bells"), or doctrinal. When it is doctrinal, the former evangelical person may have had weak understanding of the evangelical creeds and doctrines. Scott Hahn left the Presbyterian Church in America because of sola scriptura. The chapter has a lengthly defense of sola scriptura. Another reason is that many evangelical churches have become doctrinally soft. At least in the Roman Catholic church there is a catechism and a magisterium, which has authority, to tell you what you should believe.
11. What still keeps us apart? By Michael S. Horton. This chapter is more Reformed (Calvinist) that most, and is stronger in its rejection of Roman Catholic doctrines. More Reformed when it says "we cannot even respond to Him of our own free will, corrupted as it is by our sinful affections." (page 254) It rejects the definition of "evangelical" that is mostly based on spirituality (behavior) in favor of a definition that is theological - what is the evangel, the gospel, the good news? "If you are an orthodox Catholic, you are not in the evangelical camp." (page 249) There are vigorous discussions of sola scriptura, justification by grace alone through faith alone and imputed righteousness. It is also strong in its rejection of some modern trends in evangelicalism, such as the belief that all people are basically good - the rejection of original sin and total depravity. There are lots of scathing statements directed at both the Roman Catholic doctrines of the Council of Trent and modern day evangelicals who dilute or even deny the Reformation doctrines of justification by grace alone through faith alone, substitutionary atonement, and others. "We must remember that it is not we [evangelicals] who anathematized Rome, but Rome [the Council of Trent] that anathematized the gospel and thereby anathematized itself." (page 258) "Who can deny that Protestants have led the way in the twentieth century away from a high view of Scripture and God's grace in Christ?" (page 254)
12. Did I really leave the Holy Catholic Church? By William Webster. The author converted from Roman Catholic to evangelical as a young man. After Karl Keating published Catholicism and Fundamentalism, he studied the history of the church. This chapter gives historical information on the most important doctrines where Roman Catholics and evangelicals disagree. In each case, Webster shows that history supports the evangelical view. He uses many quotes from modern Roman Catholics, theologians such as Augustine, and the Church Fathers to support his case. He ends with an appeal Roman Catholic readers to convert to evangelicalism.
13. The Evangelical Moment? John H. Armstrong. This chapter discusses the affects of Vatican II and recent developments in evangelicalism. Vatican II is seen by some as five revolutions: modernity, self-understanding, liturgical, the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church to other Christian churches and to non-Christian faiths, and religious freedom with respect to each state government. Six kinds of Roman Catholics are listed: liberal, extreme syncretist, nominal, conservative/moderate, archconservative, and charismatic. Armstrong expresses concern over evangelical trends: "Modern evangelicalism is, in reality, more Catholic than Protestant" because they see works as an essential precondition for justification. They do not see justification as something that God sovereignly accomplishes without help from the sinner. "As Protestantism has moved further and further into mysticism and subjectivism since the nineteenth century, it has proportionately moved away from its evangelical foundation." Armstrong calls for a new Biblical reformation.
A COLLECTION OF ESSAYS FROM PROTESTANT THEOLOGIANS ON MANY SUBJECTS 8 Nov. 2013
By Steven H Propp - Published on Amazon.com
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Editor John Armstrong wrote in the Introduction to this 1994 book, "a significant group of leading evangelical and Roman Catholic theologians, ethicists, writers, and teachers have signed a major document of agreement known as Evangelicals and Catholics Together. This document... has raised the level of discussion between evangelicals and Roman Catholics to a whole new level... Into this uniquely contemporary context this present book is directed. It is not an anti-Catholic book... It is an attempt at candid consideration of where we agree and where we still disagree. Many of us count as Christian friends some who are communicant members of the Roman Catholic Church... This book is meant to be both an apologetic and a dialogue. It seeks to explain and support the Protestant evangelical heritage by looking at our history and our theology. It will also examine some of the issues that still keep us apart, though this division saddens us... This book will explore... why we differ in our approach to spiritual life as we do, and it will suggest that we need to further efforts at honest dialogue, but not at the expense of serious disagreements that we still have..." (Pg. 17-19)

Contributors include Robert Strimple, Donald Bloesch, Harold O.J. Brown, Ronald Nash, Alister McGrath, Kim Riddlebarger, and John Armstrong.

One essayist states, "Were Calvin to evaluate Rome today from the perspective of these five points, what would he conclude? He would surely conclude that Rome is worse off today than it was in the sixteenth century. The Word of God is compromised not onlyu by church traditions but also by corrosive criticism of its reliability. Worship has become even more syncretistic. Justification... is often misunderstood in a universalistic sense. The sacraments... may be administered somewhat more simply, but they continue to be understood in an idolatrous and magical manner. The church continues to insist on the authority of its pope and traditions." (Pg. 79)

Another essayist quotes the late, preeminent Catholic biblical scholar Raymond Brown about "perhaps the most important insight of modern Roman Catholic theology: the full recognition of the 'historicity,' that is, the 'time-conditioned' character of all human statements, including those found in the Bible---which points to the limitations, the errors, the less-than-full-and-forever adequacy of those statements." (Pg. 99)

Another argues, "Because modern Roman Catholic theology has imbibed the ethos and spirit of modernity in this century, it is imperative that evangelicals recognize the influence of this spirit and respond more accurately and faithfully to the present situation as it really is. The most significant historical theological affirmations... are no longer a basis for agreement... every doctrine of our historic Christian faith has been challenged; therefore we must gird up our minds if we are to respond adequately." (Pg. 113)

Another suggests, "Here, then, is another reason many evangelicals are being drawn to Roman Catholicism. Many evangelicals have rejected the concept of sola scriptura in principle, either through the acceptance of the ... conception of a 'sacred tradition' as an equal authority with Scripture, or because of the charismatic movement, wherein many evangelicals are becoming increasingly open to the concept of God speaking to them directly (immediately) through 'prophets' or popular 'gurus,' apart from the written Word of God... Many evangelicals appear to be comfortable with the concept of the Bible PLUS something else as constituting authority for faith and practice." (Pg. 226) He adds, "It is clear that sola scriptura is a biblical doctrine even if there is no one singie text that expressly states, 'Scripture is the only authority for faith and practice.'" (Pg. 235)

This book will be of great interest to anyone studying Catholic/Protestant issues and dialogue.
2 of 3 people found the following review helpful
Excellent overview of the gap between "us" and "them" 10 May 2009
By S. Brogden - Published on Amazon.com
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Far too many people on both sides of The Reformation have no idea of why it happened. We have become people of pragmatism, relegating doctrine to the "professionals" - who have taken a cue from "the people" and tossed doctrine aside as well.

This book is a very reasonable, well reasoned in depth examination of the doctrinal issues that caused The Reformation - and are still unresolved. There is a section that examines the areas in common between the Roman Catholic Church and Evangelicals, yet keeps the reader aware of the danger that lie beyond.

This book is divided into four sections. The last section, "The Road Ahead" is the best part of the book, including chapters by Michael Horton, Kim Riddlebarger, and a former Roman Catholic; each chapter reviews the essential elements of the Christian faith that have been and continue to demand a separation between the Romans and Biblical Christians.

This book is a most excellent resource for anyone who wonders about the pope, the Roman church, The Reformation, or Evangelicals. Well documented with end notes so you can check their work. Easy to read, even when discussing deep theological issues.
15 of 29 people found the following review helpful
Exellent work 16 Sept. 2000
By FranzvSales - Published on Amazon.com
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A very good book about roman catholicism. One of the very few evanglical books including a chapter about modern catholic theology. Worth reading, a must for everyone who is interested in the subject.
1 of 6 people found the following review helpful
Roman Catholicism. 11 Nov. 2009
By Lloyd Wright - Published on Amazon.com
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Pretty good treatment of the material by capable reviewers. Ok predominately evangelical reviewers. There's probably a liberal counterpart out there somewhere if one feels so inclined. Fighting fundamentalists and KJO types will probably not care for it, due to a seemingly objective treatment of the subject matter.
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