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Relic, Icon or Hoax?: Carbon Dating the Turin Shroud [Kindle Edition]

Harry E Gove
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"This is a fascinating and unusual book; it is a very personal memoir; and it provides a rare window into the sometimes surprising workings of both science and religion." D Allan Bromley, Professor of Science and Dean of Engineering, Yale University and President Elect of the American Physical Society "This extraordinary book recounts the drama and intrigues involved in carbon dating the Shroud of Turin with a frankness usually found only in the pages of a diary. Required reading." Dorothy Crispino, Editor and Publisher, Shroud Spectrum International ..."a very readable and worthwhile book." De La Salle University, Philippines s a fascinating and unusual book; it is a very personal memoir; and it provides a rare window into the sometimes surprising workings of both science and religion." D Allan Bromley, Professor of Science and Dean of Engineering, Yale University and President Elect of the American Physical Society "This extraordinary book recounts the drama and intrigues involved in carbon dating the Shroud of Turin with a frankness usually found only in the pages of a diary. Required reading." Dorothy Crispino, Editor and Publisher, Shroud Spectrum International ..."a very readable and worthwhile book." De La Salle University, Philippines

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Interest in the Turin Shroud continues to the present day even though it was finally carbon dated in 1988 and shown not to be of an age consistent with Christ's burial. Scientifically, the age of the shroud cloth is of little consequence, but to the general public, it is of considerable significance.

The author Harry E. Gove is a co-inventor of accelerator mass spectrometry and was responsible for its use in establishing whether the Turin Shroud could have been Christ's burial cloth. Relic, Icon or Hoax?: Carbon Dating the Turin Shroud presents an eyewitness account of the events that culminated in the final determination of the age of the linen cloth of the Turin Shroud and some of the subsequent reactions to the results. The book discusses the application of accelerator mass spectrometry to the carbon dating of the Turin Shroud using samples only a few square centimeters in area and weighing only a few tens of milligrams.

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  • Format: Kindle Edition
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  • Print Length: 364 pages
  • Page Numbers Source ISBN: 0750303980
  • Publisher: Taylor & Francis (1 Jan 1996)
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  • Language English
  • ASIN: B003V89WUW
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
A revealing insight 24 April 2009
By Mr. A. Whiteside TOP 500 REVIEWER
Format:Hardcover
**Possible spoiler ** The carbon date of the Shroud is given in this review...

'Relic,Icon or Hoax?' is a first hand account about the 1988 carbon dating of the Shroud of Turin. Harry E. Gove,Professor Emiritus of Physics at the University of Rochester, was there from the very beginning and there when the Shroud was dated. He was a pioneer in accelerator mass spectrometry(AMS) which led to the more well known carbon dating. In this book he details the many trials and tribulations concerned during the process of dating this astonishing item.

The book is written almost as though it was a personal diary and at times it can be hard going as Gove goes into every last detail. For all that though the book sometimes feels as though it's a thriller with shady character's,organisations like STURP(Shroud Of Turin Research Project) and accusations of betrayal. Gove was first approached about dating the Shroud in 1977 and it wasn't dated until 1988. Given the fact that he wasn't one of the people finally asked to date the Shroud,you can well understand why he wanted to put down his feelings in this book. There is no doubt that it can be tedious but it can also be extremely interesting as we are witness to a battle between men of science and men of religion.

The final conclusion was that the Shroud is from medieval times and probably produced around 1350. Gove himself says that he wished it had been 2000 years old and considers the Shroud an icon,not a fake. So that's the end of the story...or is it? There has since been serious doubt cast about the testing done by the three labs concerned and even several scientists have stated that the samples taken may have been from a later addition to the cloth. Calls are being made for new testing but I don't think that will happen any time soon.

So to answer the question the book asks,is the Shroud Of Turin a relic,an icon or a hoax? We may never truly know the answer but to me it is quite simply a mystery that will always cause controversy and if people want to believe in it then so be it. This incredible Shroud is one of the great religious items in history and I think that's just how it should remain. So although this book won't convince many people that it answers the question of the Shroud,it is for the most part a journey that keeps you hooked and is very well written.
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7 of 9 people found the following review helpful
Informative and surprisingly easy to read and understand 14 Feb 2002
By Kali - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Hardcover
I have always been fascinated by the Turin Shroud. When it was finally carbon dated and sadly proved to be a fake (or is it a fake, even now there are doubts?) I felt immense sadness even though I am not of the Christian faith.
In the early 1970s onwards Professor Grove set about with a group of fellow scientists, religious zealots, curious hangers-on and an assortment of faithful doubters to use this new technique in a scientific manner to prove the worth of carbon dating. And what better than a piece of historical enigma to use this new discovery on other than the Turin Shroud?
This book follows Professor Grove through the many years of negotiation it took before the Vatican finally allowed the controversial experiment to go ahead.
In parts this book is highly technical but Professor Grove manages to make himself and the theory behind Carbon dating understood. He is never sentimental but I picked up on a quiet unspoken faith he has in both the scientific and the religious and he comes across as man who somehow manages to balance these diametrically opposed modes of thought in a coherent and sensible way..
This is both a good read, surprisingly quite humorous in parts as well as being a technical masterpiece which anyone with a leaning toward academia will appreciate. Worth getting out from your local library if the cost is too prohibitive.
2 of 3 people found the following review helpful
Where is the academic detachment? 14 May 2009
By Historiograf - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Hardcover
If it weren't for its considerable entertainment value, I wouldn't give this book more than one star. Given that it has been written by an academic person, one ought be able to expect from the author some minimal standards of objectivity. Unfortunately, from almost A to Z this book does not meet the requirements. Beginning with the quite untrue statement in the foreword (de facto refuted by Gove in his 1998 book "From Hiroshima to the Iceman"), that the STURP group (Shroud of Turin Project, the US scientists that undertook an investigation on the Shroud in 1978) had tried in vain to block the radiocarbon dating of the Shroud before attempting to jump on the bandwaggon, right up to the fantasy allegation in the last chapter that Turin has arranged for the secret dating of an additional piece of the Shroud in the aftermath of the test of 1988.

De mortuis nihil nisi bonum, but it simply must be said that the author of this book has dwelled all too often on the level of plain polemics.
His judgement on the work done by STURP, for instance, and on their motivations, is highly one-sided. Would STURP ever have bothered to resort to the services of a Walter McCrone if they had been hell-bent from the outset on proving the Shroud genuine?
What he says about STURP as a group, may be true for some of its members, but even there Gove resorts to exaggeration and distortion. Thus he calls the author of "Verdict on the Shroud" an "abrasive character", on account of a clash they had in Turin in 1978, conveniently forgetting that it was he himself who opened the hostilities. Also he is scoffing about the alleged statement in that book of there being a chance of 83 millions to One that the Shroud is the genuine shroud of Christ, not comprehending (or not wanting to comprehend) that the calculation alluded to (meant as a rough estimate) does NOT constitute a general probability statement, but applies only in the case of the theoretical eventuality that the Turin Shroud represents a genuine first century crucifixion, which in itself is quite improbable from a purely theoretical point of vue.

What appears most irritating to me is that one cannot even rely on Mr. Gove when he is dealing with his own field of interest. His comments on the preliminary C14 tests of 1983/84 run be the British Museum are just as biased as the rest of the book (though the other way around), clearly glossing over the reality. Not just one single outlier result has come out of these tests, as Gove seems to be indicating, but as many as four of them (cf. "Radocarbon", Vol. 28, 2A, 1986), plus a number of other unsatisfactory results. Of course, it would have been quite disastrous to reveal the whole truth!
Concerning the dating of the Shroud itself, Goves "AD 1325 plus/minus 33 years" (with 68% confidence) is quite at odds with the figures given in the official report on it in "Nature" (Vol. 337, February 1989): "AD 1273-1288". As if Gove had attempted to close the gap between the REAL mean date - 1281, NOT 1325!! - to the alleged first historical appearance of the Shroud in 1353... Does this not, to quote Gove in his own words about STURP, "suggest something less that scientific dispassion"?

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5 of 9 people found the following review helpful
Highly readable but biased account 19 Feb 2007
By Ray Schneider - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Hardcover
I had to write a review if only to correct the record. Harry Gove has written a highly entertaining book about the Carbon Dating or the Shroud ostensibly but it is far more a record of Harry Gove's desire to use the Shroud dating as a poster child for AMS (Accellerated Mass Spectrometry). In the process he manages to come across as a single minded and determined individual with a very large ax to grind.

He trashes STURP as "true believers" whatever those are, and fails to note the contradictions in his own positions as he careens through the book. Someone who wants to find out something about the Shroud of Turin or even much about AMS should go elsewhere. This is a book all about Harry Gove on a quest and he trashes anyone that disagrees with him.

I like to keep this book next to The Rape of the Turin Shroud by William Meacham which is a useful counterbalance to Gove's venom.

If you are interested in this fascinating time in the history of the Shroud of Turin than you can't miss the book. But don't buy it expecting anything like impartiality or dispassionate objectivity. It is a book about Gove on a mission. It's fun and entertaining but what you find out is how Gove judges everyone regardless of whether he has any competence to make the judgment or not -- usually he doesn't.

Nevertheless a fun, entertaining and riotous frolic through the complex ways of science and religion in a skeptical era.
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