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David P. Barash , Judith Eve Lipton
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  • Hardcover: 272 pages
  • Publisher: OUP USA (9 Jun 2011)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 019539514X
  • ISBN-13: 978-0195395143
  • Product Dimensions: 23.6 x 15.5 x 2.3 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (1 customer review)
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"Overall, this is an interesting and original book--well written and jargon free. For biologists, psychologists, sociologists, and political scientists, as well as generalists who are intestered in such areas." --Library Journal


"Beautifully and elegantly written with an extraordinary breadth of information,
Payback is both enlightening and enriching to read for a wide range of scholars interested
in animal and human behavior." -- Lixing Sun, review in Evolutionary Psychology


"The desire for vengeance is deep-rooted, as the evolutionary biologist David Barash and psychiatrist Judith Lipton, who are married, note in their fascinating new book Payback: Why We Retaliate, Redirect Aggression, and Take Revenge (Oxford University Press, 2011). Not just humans but many animals retaliate against those who threaten or harm them, Barash and Lipton point out." --John Horgan, Scientific American


"The authors use interesting examples from across times and cultures

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From the child taunted by her playmates to the office worker who feels stifled in his daily routine, people frequently take out their pain and anger on others, even those who had nothing to do with the original stress. The bullied child may kick her puppy, the stifled worker yells at his children: Payback can be directed anywhere, sometimes at inanimate things, animals, or other people. In Payback, the husband-and wife team of evolutionary biologist David Barash and psychiatrist Judith Lipton offer an illuminating look at this phenomenon, showing how it has evolved, why it occurs, and what we can do about it. Retaliation and revenge are well known to most people. We all know what it is like to want to get even, get justice, or take revenge. What is new in this book is an extended discussion of redirected aggression, which occurs not only in people but other species as well. The authors reveal that it's not just a matter of yelling at your spouse "because" your boss yells at you. Indeed, the phenomenon of redirected aggression--so-called to differentiate it from retaliation and revenge, the other main forms of payback--haunts our criminal courts, our streets, our battlefields, our homes, and our hearts. It lurks behind some of the nastiest and seemingly inexplicable things that otherwise decent people do, from road rage to yelling at a crying baby. And it exists across boundaries of every kind--culture, time, geography, and even species. Indeed, it's not just a human phenomenon. Passing pain to others can be seen in birds and horses, fish and primates--in virtually all vertebrates. It turns out that there is robust neurobiological hardware and software promoting redirected aggression, as well as evolutionary underpinnings. Payback may be natural, the authors conclude, but we are capable of rising above it, without sacrificing self-esteem and social status. They show how the various human responses to pain and suffering can be managed--mindfully, carefully, and humanely.

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This book starts off soundly in reviving and reinvigorating the old ethological concept of displaced or redirected aggression and applying it to human behaviour. The authors cover bullying, domestic violence and other common human behaviours and there is an excellent chapter looking at these behaviours in other species. I enjoyed reading the book and it does open up and promote a fascinating awareness of this behavioural strategy in one's everyday life and at one point I was walking around a city centre shopping mall trying to notice subtle indications of redirected aggression in action amongst the throng of people. However, I think the authors could have developed the ideas further and the last chapter was very dissapointing and consisted of a review of various strategies to defuse redirected aggression taken from a hotchpotch of religious, philosophical and humanist ideas...hence the 3 stars.
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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful
Fun read about human (and animal) nature 24 April 2011
By Jesus Surfs - Published on Amazon.com
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Some books are notable and worthwhile because they deal with important matters, others because they open your eyes and mind in novel ways, and still others because they are simply well written and therefore, a "good read." This one works in all three ways! It just became available, I just read it, and am glad I did (also very happy to recommend it).

The authors start by identifying an important problem: the degree to which we all "pass the pain along" after being injured, and the extent to which so many innocent bystanders are victimized as a result. Think about road rage, scapegoating, kicking the cat or yelling at your significant other when you've had a bad day. It happens in animals too, and I was especially interested to learn that there are physiological underpinnings to this phenomenon (associated with what is called "subordination stress") and not only that, but an evolutionary basis as well. The result is a coherent scientific story when it comes to causation, combined with a compelling narrative about how retaliation, revenge and redirected aggression (the authors call them "The Three Rs") permeate so much of our lives, including history, literature, anthropology, war and peace, the pursuit of "justice" and individual as well as group psychology.

The science is solid, the tone is accessible, and even though it might not seem "fun" to read about such an important cause of human misery, this book is so well written that it actually is! I especially liked Barash and Lipton's concluding suggestion of an "11th Commandment." Give it a try: the book, that is, as well as the commandment!
5 of 7 people found the following review helpful
Armchair Darwinism 22 Aug 2011
By Cebes - Published on Amazon.com
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PAYBACK is an example of a newly emerging genre of books, a cross between evolutionary psychology and self-help. The book shares the common flaw of evolutionary psychology when it tries to be an applied science: the evolutionary psychologist seems to think that with a little dose of Darwin he can heal all the world's ills. This book, not at all lacking in ambition, purports to once and for all solve the problem of human violence, explaining "why we retaliate, redirect aggression, and take revenge" (the subtitle).

As with most examples in this genre, the authors take on a triumphal tone: "at last, we have a pretty good idea why" people respond to violence with more violence (23); the "underlying physiological and evolutionary bases" of violence "are only now becoming clear" (171). Of course, hedging their bets, they also follow the traditional strategy of insisting that, even if we don't fully understand it right now, we are right on the verge of a complete explanation, based on a "growing body of evidence." You will however find only the most minimal reference to the vast historical literature on revenge and the causes of human violence. The authors seem to think that nothing written outside a Darwinian framework is of any use. They briefly mention Aristotle, for example, but only in the most condescending terms: "clearly, Aristotle was unaware of ..the physiological basis of retaliation, revenge, and redirected aggression, just as he was necessarily naïve about the likely evolutionary underpinnings" of them (121).

You may have noticed that word "likely" slipping in there. For all the claims to have finally achieved a "modern scientific understanding" of violence (122), in fact the book is like so much work in Evo Psych: full of speculations and woefully short of evidence. The authors tell us that retaliatory violence is "almost certainly adaptive" (18), though they give us no actual evidence for that claim, nor try to determine whether they mean it was adaptive for small bands of hunter gatherers or whether it is still adaptive today. In fact, the authors never seem quite sure of themselves on this point. They repeatedly tell us that payback is beneficial to the individual, and prevents one from being taken advantage of by others. But just as often, they tell us that payback is harmful to the individual, only leading to a cycle of violence, and quoting Karen Horney to the effect that vindictiveness makes the individual "isolated, egocentric, and psychically sterile" (126). So which is it? Indeed, the very structure of the book replicates this contradiction, for it aims to (1) claim that payback is advantageous to the individual and (2) teach us how to forgive and get beyond violence. A closely parallel contradiction is found in the authors repeatedly telling us that violent payback is "hardwired" in us and probably ineradicable, but then devoting a whole final chapter to telling us how to "overcome" our hardwired responses. Needless to say, you can't have it both ways.

Not surprisingly, the book's positive recommendations are, like most self-help books, full of trite and banal suggestions (none of which make any use of Darwin):

-- "Asking for forgiveness and getting it is therefore one of the most effective tools" (195).

-- "Support social and economic structures that reduce inequity and promote maximally widespread well-being" (196).

-- "Help all children to be wanted and loved and provide good experiences and resources for them." (191).

But a few of their recommendations are what one might term chilling, perhaps what is inevitable when one puts social policy in the hands of psychologists (I think they tried that in Soviet Russia once!). The authors tell us that while "on the whole [!!] liberty and justice for all is a good thing," those who "seem to be born with disorders of empathy, conscience, and impulse control" should be locked up and drugged with the latest medications (191). The authors even try to diagnose literary figures such as Hamlet, Othello, and Ahab as obsessives, who should just have been given Prozac and they would have been just fine! (I'm not making this up). What a brave new world we would have if psychologists were in charge!

If you would like to see an example of genuine scholarship on revenge and violence, you might look at William Miller's work including "Eye for An Eye" and "Bloodtaking and Peacemaking." Jeffrie Murphy has also done some interesting philosophical work on revenge (Getting Even), and there are any number of good books on punishment and retributive justice.
2 of 3 people found the following review helpful
A great look into a "dark" but natural corner of human nature 30 July 2011
By S. J. Snyder - Published on Amazon.com
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Basically, though neither of the husband-and-wife team of authors uses the phrase, this book is a backgrounder evolutionary psychology done right, with a full course of social psychology, on why people usally act back ... in one of three ways ... when attacked either physically or verbally/emotionally.

The "ev psych done right"? Briefly, the authors note that many animals either retaliate against aggression or else redirect it lower down the food chain while we (and chimpanzees) are the only ones so far known to also use revenge. From there, they look at how this affects/relieves stress, in both humans and other animals.

Then it's on to the human social psychology. They ask how this affects ideas of "justice" and more. The chapter on justice, with its looks at retributive and rehabilitative aspects of justice in light of humans' built-in payback propensities, could become a book by itself were the authors of a mind to do so.

Both in humans and animals, besides stress issues, the authors note aggression, and the various ways of dealing with it, relate closely to social status issues. they suggest this is part of why simple apologies often don't satisfy victims. Rather, whether consciously or not, victims are looking for a restoration of lost status, and perhaps a diminution of the aggressor's status. That doesn't happen after a few words.

Finally, the authors look at various religious traditions, as well as modern psychology, to suggest some ideas for forgiveness, for development of better non-retaliation skills and more.

Finally, don't just take my word for it. Any book with good blurbs by Robert Sapolsky and Frans de Wall ... another "Recommend" right there. So dive in!
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