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  • Paperback: 1 pages
  • Publisher: CALVARY PRESS PUBLISHING; Revised edition edition (22 Aug. 2007)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1879737434
  • ISBN-13: 978-1879737433
  • Product Dimensions: 14 x 2.1 x 21.6 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.7 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (3 customer reviews)
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A reply to Dr Geisler who sounds the alarm about a system of beliefs commonly called 'Calvinism'. It counters the evidence against so-called 'extreme Calvinism', defines what the Reformed Faith is, and concludes that the gospel preached by the Reformers is the very one taught in the pages of Scripture.

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Basic Reformed theology explained clearly, concisely, and without compromise.
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I got this book in order to answer a friend who demanded that I read Norman Geisler's "Chosen but Free". This book provides many answers to verses cited by Arminians and semi-Pelagian denying the sovereignty of God in salvation. This book was intense to read because Dr. White presents two opposing viewpoints while making clear distinctions between a gospel presentation of Christ's work on the cross as something which actually saves people or something which just makes you savable, but often fails to fulfill the will of God. This book goes to the heart of reformation beliefs. Highly recommended, but be ready to read slowly with much reflection. James provides the exegesis of the Greek for key passages which are in dispute with Norman Geisler's Arminian slant.
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Among bible believers and users, the author is infamous for his awful book against the KJV. This book is on about the same moral level. I never would have purchased it, but I read debating calvinism and saw this in a second hand book shop; so I thought it might be worth a couple of pounds. I have read quite a few books on the subject, but not Giesler's.

Since any evangelical who is not a calvinist, by White's and calvinism's dishonest reasoning; is an arminian: then this should have proved an antidote to my biblical beliefs, called calvinism by arminians. This basically contains the same old fangled arguments spued out for generations by calvinistic traditionalists with very little variation or imgination. It has been soundly refuted by Vance, Hunt and others, as well as a simple reading of the bible.

2 Peter 3:9-The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. If sovereignty were the all encompassing issue then all would be save acording to calvinists. Its small minded ireverant ideology does not allow for a God who would gather all but is hindered because "ye would not".

White's book on the KJV is just a rehash of old disproved biblical criticism and this is just a rehash of augustinian/calvinism claptrap.
I would'nt waste your time as any of the arguments that are worth studying are handled better in the anti calvinistic literature with the biblical refutations.

God blessee,
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
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HASH(0x9782a3fc) out of 5 stars A Christ Centered God Honoring Book 6 Jun. 2002
By Andrew - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
Feeling I needed to give both works a fair and balanced assesment, I read Chosen But Free prior to The Potter's Freedom. As I read through Geisler's work I was upset at the unfortunate lack of exegesis and the appeal to man-centered philosophical presuppositions time and time again. As I studied White's treatise, I was very impressed with the tremendous effort he put forth to deal directly with the biblical text. His work on John 6 and Romans 9 alone, would be enough to persuade me of the clear, biblical teaching regarding God's freedom in election. He also clearly points out the eisegetical hermeneutics used by Arminians in their constant appeal to the "Big Three" verses (Matthew 23:37, 1 Timothy 2:4, and 2 Peter 3:9). I had a hard time putting The Potter's Freedom down, but not because of its wonderful use of rhetoric or its superb literary style, but because it contained biblical truth that God sovereignly used to help me grow in the grace and knowledge of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I finished this book on my knees in repentance, knowing that my trust in Christ, my very salvation itself, was not based on my own corrupt sinful "will", but was a gift from God, undeservedly bestowed on me by His gracious hand. Soli Deo Gloria!
83 of 91 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0x980e80d8) out of 5 stars I think I may just be a Calvinist... 5 Oct. 2010
By Victoria Shephard - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
...after reading this book.

I bought Chosen But Free (by Norman Geisler) hoping to find a good rebuttal to Calvinist doctrine so I could continue holding to my free will theology. Boy was I disappointed! Not only is his terminology offputting, but his clear hatred of the Reformed tradition shines through. On top of that, his arguments left much to be desired. I struggled through what part I could read, and couldn't finish it. He'd cite a verse to support his conclusion, and I'd look the verse up only to find it didn't say anything close to what he claimed. It was frustrating to say the least.

After that I decided to read "The Potter's Freedom." This is an excellent book even if you have never picked up "Chosen But Free". It answered many of the questions I have had, and did so in a way that didn't want to make me run away screaming. I know some Calvinsts who's presentation of the very same facts make me want to scream, or simply tune them out.

Dr. White is NOT like that. He presents his arguments based on the Biblical texts, but does so in a way that attracts you instead of repels you. I found myself getting a whole new perspective on God and His mercy that just made me so thrilled with what I was learning that I wanted to run out and share it with everyone. I can no longer hold to Arminian theology after reading this.

I don't usually give a book 5 stars, but this book earns every one of them. It's also spurred me to look into the topic more deeply and I'm deciding what to read next.
36 of 43 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0x980e8864) out of 5 stars A sound defense of standard Reformation principles 30 Jan. 2003
By Seth Aaron Lowry - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
After re-reading sections of The Potter's Freedom and also reading Geisler's chosen But Free, I have decided to amend my previous review of White's book. I still believe White's work is a solid work and it has many strengths to it, but I also believe there are many oversights and oversimplifications.
Out of both books, I believe that White's work is much better and more persuasive. White does an excellent job of delving into key texts and in the process he wrestles with them and examines them for what they are worth. His explanations for Matthew 23:37, I Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9, although not the best, are without a doubt good attempts to refute Geisler's point-blank assertions; Geisler takes these verses at face value, while White looks at the surrounding verses and attempts to clarify what these verses are really stating. Since CBF (Chosen but Free) relies so heavily on these verses to bolster it's argument, White does some serious damage to Geisler's argument when he deals with these texts.
Furthermore, White does an excellent job of providing solid exegesis for some of the standard proof-texts of traditional Reformed theology. His analysis of John 6 and Romans 9 easily eclipses any simple exegesis provided by Geisler. His sections on John 6 and Romans 9 are very strong, but there really isn't anything new here that you can't find in other Reformed works. Every Reformed book that deals with predestination always has a section that delves deep into these chapters of Scripture.
Where the book was weak was White's insistence on his version of Total Depravity. Firstly, White gives absolutely no credible reason why Lazarus' physical condition is comparative to the natural man's spiritual condition. Using this as an example to prove total deadness and the need for new life is a serious case of eisegesis since nowhere is the idea hinted at in Scripture that Lazarus being raised from the dead is like the believer's being quickened by the Spirit. Sure White resorts to the standard proof texts of Ephesians 2:1 and Colossians 2:13 to prove his point, but does nekros have to be understood in the way White does? In John 5:25 Jesus says the dead, same word in Greek, will hear His voice and live. In Revelation 3:1, Jesus tells the people of the Church in Sardis that they are dead, same word in Greek, and exhorts them to strengthen the things that remain. Obviously, looking at how the word is used in every context one can easily understand that the word doesn't carry with it the connotation that White would like it to mean because Jesus obviously tells us that the dead can hear Him. Even though this may sound perplexing, Scripture tells us it is true. I think that dead in sin is much better understood within the context of separation as Isaiah 59 says when it states our sins have separated us from God. Furthermore, when White deals with John 5, he only touches the verses where Jesus says He gives life to whom He wills. Yeah, read by itself and in isolation from the other verses this would seem to support to Calvinism. Yet, two verses later Jesus says who He wills to give life to, the ones who hear Him and believe on His name. In verse 25, Jesus says the time is now here when the dead will hear Him and live. The order is the dead hear, believe and live; Yet, White arguing for regeneration preceding faith would have the order be receive life, hear and believe. White has turned the text on it's head and made it say something it doesn't even begin to teach. Moreover, this whole passage deals a crippling blow to White's idea of total depravity since it's the dead who hear and live. Not the elect, or the regenerate, but the dead.
Finally, White does not deal with the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints. Geisler, who calls himself a moderate Calvinist, also believes that a believer cannot lose his salvation, but his beliefs are substantially different from those from the Reformed Camp. I really wish White would have devoted a chapter comparing Perseverance of the Saints (POTS), the traditional Reformed position, with Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS), which is the position of Geisler and moderate Calvinism. I believe White could have dealt a serious blow to Geisler's position if he would have differentiated it from the Reformed concept.
All in all, White's The Potter's Freedom is a good book. Whether one wants to learn more about Reformation doctrines, or whether one just wants to strengthen their convictions, this book is an excellent read. Although I did find a lot more weaknesses in the text my second time through, I would still recommend this book to anyone wanting to know more about the Reformation doctrines of election and grace.
46 of 58 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0x9782a7bc) out of 5 stars Norman Geisler Exposed 6 Jun. 2000
By Rick Larson - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
Norman Geisler describes himself as a "moderate Calvinist". In his book "Chosen But Free", Geisler's moderate Calvinism turns out to be nothing more than four-point Arminianism. This is the conclusion that James White, author of a number of books including "The King James Only Controversy" and "The Forgotten Trinity", comes to in his recent book "The Potter's Freedom". From Geisler's unique understanding of God's foreknowledge, to his plain and simple passing over of crucial biblical texts, White has painstakingly documented and refuted the many errors and contradictions found in Geisler's exegesis of Scripture. I was also quite happily suprised to discover that White's book is much more than just a refutation of "Chosen But Free", but is also one of the most easy-to-understand books on Reformed theology I've ever read. I highly recommend it to anyone who has either read "Chosen But Free" and would like to get another viewpoint, or to anyone just getting their feet wet with Reformed theology.
66 of 86 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0x9782a8f4) out of 5 stars Much Needed work among modern day writings 29 July 2000
By Nick Cato - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
I've read all the other amazon reviews AFTER reading this book, and I feel that the point James White is trying to make is simple: Too many Christians believe that "their own" faith is saving them, and not the faith of Christ that is given to them regardless of what man does (Romans 9:16). No man could even believe in God unless God first draws him...and this fact is rarely, if ever, preached or taught today. In that light, the book, though slow at times, is much needed in our present day of wishy-washy, "feel good" books that cluter Christian book stores: It's the entire heart of the true gospel. When Christians earnestly study the doctrines of predestination / election, their assurance will be strengthened like never before. Unfaithful study in this area leads to hate and prideful opinions that are not scriptural. Man hates to hear that he can do NOTHING to save himself. It's no wonder that many of James White's books (as well as many of the re-printed works of the puritans and Calvin) are so ignored and hated: they preach the doctrines of grace without compromise.
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