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Dave Grossman
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  • Paperback: 400 pages
  • Publisher: Back Bay Books; 1st edition (1 Nov 1996)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0316330116
  • ISBN-13: 978-0316330114
  • Product Dimensions: 20.8 x 14.2 x 3.3 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (17 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 217,785 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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An updated edition of a perennial bestseller - the "illuminating account of how soldiers learn to kill and how they live with the experience of having killed." - Washington Post --This text refers to an alternate Paperback edition.

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The twentieth century, with its bloody world wars, revolutions, and genocides accounting for hundreds of millions dead, would seem to prove that human beings are incredibly vicious predators and that killing is as natural as eating. But Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, a psychologist and U.S. Army Ranger, demonstrates this is not the case. The good news, according to Grossman - drawing on dozens of interviews, first-person reports, and historic studies of combat, ranging from Frederick the Great's battles in the eighteenth century through Vietnam - is that the vast majority of soldiers are loath to kill. In World War II, for instance, only 15 to 25 percent of combat infantry were willing to fire their rifles. The provocative news is that modern armies, using Pavlovian and operant conditioning, have learned how to overcome this reluctance. In Korea about 50 percent of combat infantry were willing to shoot, and in Vietnam the figure rose to over 90 percent. The bad news is that by conditioning soldiers to overcome their instinctive loathing of killing, we have drastically increased post-combat stress - witness the devastated psychological state of our Vietnam vets as compared with those from earlier wars. And the truly terrible news is that contemporary civilian society, particularly the media, replicates the army's conditioning techniques and - according to Grossman's controversial thesis - is responsible for our rising rates of murder and violence, particularly among the young. In the explosive last section of the book, he argues that high-body-count movies, television violence (both news and entertainment), and interactive point-and-shoot video games are dangerously similar to thetraining programs that dehumanize the enemy, desensitize soldiers to the psychological ramifications of killing, and make pulling the trigger an automatic response.

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21 of 21 people found the following review helpful
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Grossman has a lot of interesting things to say about the psychology of soldiers in battle, but he lets himself down time and time again with poor analysis of the facts he uses.

Colonel Grossman has a list of military credentials but he has never been in the position of having to kill an enemy. Whilst this puts him in the same position as the vast majority of other authors, it does rather make his military background less relevant in a book that is primarily concerned with the psychological effects of killing.

Another credential that he very frequently mentions is that his books are read at military colleges and the like. The impression is therefore that these organisations agree with his analysis, which is not so; von Clausewitz is as widely read but his writings are acknowledged to be flawed by an unavoidable anachronistic thinking. Grossman provides argument and food for thought, but he is by no means as authoritative in the field as he would like you to believe.

So, his credentials aside, what does the book deal with? It covers the effects that warfare and killing have on individuals quite well, and is worth buying and reading for that alone. What is not so valuable, however, is his obsession with trying to prove that humans are very reluctant to kill. It is not so much the conclusion as the way he tries to use the facts to support his own argument; a few examples are trying to show that the use of the pike was because it was psychologially easier to kill with a longer weapon, interpreting the lack of bayonet wounds after a battle as evidence that the soldiers refused to use them aggressively, and using Marshall's long-discredited data about the low percentage of soldiers firing at the enemy in WWII to try to prove that the rest simply refused to do so out of a reluctance to kill.

All the data has been peremptorily analysed to show his own conclusion, yet no further or deeper study has been made; he doesn't look at the benefit of the pike against lance-armed cavalry or polearm-armed infantry, he doesn't mention that a bayonet charge would, more often than not, drive the enemy away in a rout rather than facing it, and he doesn't give space to any analysis of why only a small percentage of WWII soldiers were actually in a position to fire on the enemy.

The academically flawed and sometimes contradictory conclusions do not make this book a worthless study by any means, but I would advise the reader to think beyond what Grossman presents as his interpretations of the data involved.

A worthwhile read and certainly a must for any serious student of the field, but not to be swallowed whole.
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26 of 28 people found the following review helpful
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To read Grossman's gripping study of killing in a military environment requires a degree of courage from the readers. In fact, those Vietnam colleagues who are not travelling well may be better off not reading this book for it peels back the psychological layers of training to kill, and then the guilt that has been generated from being part of the harvesting of the body count. Importantly, the author recognises that Vietnam was different, for a variety of reasons, to any other war that we have fought.

Grossman has impeccable credentials. He rose from the rank of private to lieutenant colonel and served in the 82nd Airborne, 7th Infantry Division and the U.S. Rangers and as a psychology professor at West Point.

After the Second World War, the British and Americans studied the phenomenon of non-firers. American studies confirmed that in battles on 15-20% of the troops fired to kill. In some situations where several riflemen were together firing at the enemy, others in the group would take on supporting roles (getting ammunition, tending the wounded etc.). There was a conspiracy of silence over the non-firers and those involved in a conspiracy to miss, even when their lives were endangered. The British confirmed that among the Argentinean troops in the Falklands, there was a similar rate of non-firers.

However, by the time of the Vietnam War, training techniques had been changed and the firing rates were around 95%. Herein lies the root of the problem. As a result of the non-firers, training methods were re-designed to remove the moral dilemma of taking human lives. Recruits were trained to shoot body shaped targets, not bullseyes and recruits were rewarded for "kills". At Puckapunyal (Recruit Training, Australia), recruits for Vietnam were instructed to aim for the chest, so if the enemy doesn't die they become a burden for their medical support teams. Bayonet training, which had probably remained unchanged for over 100 years, was designed to massively damage the enemy soldier's abdominal-thoracic region with a steel instrument possessing two specifically designed blood grooves. And, as the RDI said, "If you are unlucky enough to bayonet the enemy in the head and can't get your bayonet out, discharge a round and it should split the head open." In, out, on guard! Kill, kill! The NCOs and officers job in combat remains to get the troops to kill. I cannot agree with Grossman's observation that British officers do their jobs better because of the class distinction between themselves and their men, which allowed them to make more objective decisions (p. 168). The "fragging" phenomenon in Vietnam occurred because of this perceived indifference to the suffering of the troops.

Killing another human being is not a natural act, contrary to what the movies would have us believe. Grossman argued that only 2% of the troops are natural killers (psychopaths/sociopaths), the others need a variety of support strategies to overcome the feeling of guilt that eventually emerge. Perhaps a strongpoint of this book is the excellent diagrams, which capture the essence of key points in this treatise. The diagram showing the predisposition to kill (p.188) is a good example of Grossman's clarity of thought. He shows that the demands of authority, training and conditioning, experience, target attractiveness and group support all come into play before the trigger is pulled.

So, what made Vietnam different to previous and subsequent wars? Firstly, the training was different and the re-socialisation of recruits, particularly those conscripted into the military, was designed to make certain that the troops would kill. The troop rotations generally had new members of units arriving and leaving as individuals, thus denying them the support and absolutions for what they had taken part in. Thirdly, there was no safe rear area and troops had to be battle ready always. The Swank and Marchand research of 1946 showed that after 25 days troops suffered combat exhaustion, with a reduction in their effectiveness and ending after 50 days in a vegetative phase. Fourthly, the lack of support from the home communities turned many Vietnam veterans into pariahs and it took over a decade to begin this dreadful oversight. As a result, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) manifested itself in many returning troops who often left Vietnam and were expected to be civilians again within 12 hours. It was interesting that the British sent troops home from the Falklands by boat to overcome this specific problem.

For me, this book was an interesting read, but importantly it made me understand myself a little better.

Neil MacNeill, 31 Charlie.

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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
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This is a good read, packed with snippets of previous third party research. Some I have read before and some I haven't.
I could never doubt Dave Grossman's opinion's and findings or experience, but I found myself at times having to re-read parts of the book, because I felt it seemed to contradict its self.
The whole emphasis of me reading the book was to try and get a better insight to why people act differently in combat. The book really helps with this, and as a I am only beginning to study the subject, the book has increased my appetite to read and study more. What is really quite scary is how governments and the military, etc, study this subject matter in order to identify how we can kill others with out the future burden of guilt and remorse and especially PTSD.
I would recommend this book as a beginner to be read with an open mind and although I felt some things didn't sit right with me in the book, it has helped me form a new insight into humanity especially our reluctance to kill face to face.
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Good book
Many interesting ideas from the psychological point of view about killing and learning to kill. Also good book for all soldiers and they trainers how to control your mind in the... Read more
Published 3 months ago by Juha Jormakka
Nice try but wide of the mark
Although one must laud the author for his efforts to bring to light such a murky and unpleasant topic, his methods are unscientific and arguements unsound. Read more
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Daring and insightful
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probably the most definitive authority on PTSD
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profound exploration of a taboo subject
As both a psychiatrist and the daughter of a combat veteran, I am struck by the depth and honesty of this book. LtCol. Read more
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profound exploration of a taboo subject
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