- Hardcover: 224 pages
- Publisher: OUP Oxford; First Edition edition (19 Jun 2008)
- Language English
- ISBN-10: 0199237271
- ISBN-13: 978-0199237272
- Product Dimensions: 23.6 x 16.2 x 2.2 cm
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Michael Murray has written what I believe to be the only book-length study in English of theodicy and animal suffering in the philosophy of religion. The problem is so obvious and so clearly important that a book like this is long overdue. Philosophers of religion, theologians, and, indeed, anyone interested in the intellectual credibility of classical theism will find this book, stimulating and helpful... Nature Red in Tooth Claw is both careful and comprehensive... littered with interesting arguments... the book is excellent. (Gary Chartier, Religious Studies )
This book offers an overview of theistic attempts to reconcile the existence of the suffering of non-human animals with the exsistence of the God of classical theism -- the omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good creator of the world. It is clearly written and comprehensive... Over the course of his book, Murray develops a powerful argument (T. J. Mawson, MIND )
This book offers an overview of theistic attempts to reconcile the existence of the suffering of non-human animals with the exsistence of the God of classical theism -- the omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good creator of the world. It is clearly written and comprehensive... Over the course of his book, Murray develops a powerful argument (T. J. Mawson, MIND )
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While the problem of evil remains a perennial challenge to theistic belief, little attention has been paid to the special problem of animal pain and suffering. This absence is especially conspicuous in our Darwinian era when theists are forced to confront the fact that animal pain and suffering has gone on for at least tens of millions of years, through billions of animal generations. Evil of this sort might not be especially problematic if the standard of explanations for evil employed by theists could be applied in this instance as well. But there is the central problem: all or most of the explanations for evil cited by theists seem impotent to explain the reality of animal pain and suffering through evolutionary history. Nature Red in Tooth and Claw addresses the evil of animal pain and suffering directly, scrutinizing explanations that have been offered for such evil.
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An Interesting and Important Topic
7 Jan 2012
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Originally published in 2008 by Oxford University Press, Michael Murray's "Nature Red in Tooth & Claw" examines the relationship between animal pain and theism. The following comments pertain to the 2011 paperback edition.
The issue of animal pain is an important and increasingly popular topic within the so-called evidential problem of evil. The evidential argument contends that while evil is not logically incompatible with theism, certain types of evil make the existence of God unlikely. The argument can be formulated as:
Premise A. Gratuitous evil is inconsistent with God
Premise B. An all powerful God could and would eliminate gratuitous evil
Premise C. Gratuitous evil exists
Conclusion. It is unlikely that God exists
Within the evidential argument animal pain is often used as a paradigm example of gratuitous evil (evil which does not serve any greater good). This is particularly seen to be the case with animal pain and suffering that occurred prior to man's arrival on the scene and thus not clearly amenable to certain theistic arguments such as `The Fall'.
In the text, Murray provides a detailed discussion of the relationship between animal pain and theism looking at many of the different challenges and responses it has triggered. From my perspective the most interesting aspect of the book is the chapter that discusses the relationship between cognition and pain (based on a 2006 article co-authored with Glenn Ross `Neo-Cartesianism and the Problem of animal suffering'). In considering the relevant contemporary philosophical and scientific thought, Murray suggests that animal pain and suffering is linked to neurological complexity - greater the complexity greater pain awareness. While this is not a particularly new idea, Murray's discussion does highlight the question as to whether or not the problem of animal pain is as significant as many of us are initially inclined to think. That is to say, that while all creatures appear to exhibit pain behaviour when exposed to the appropriate pain inducing stimuli, many simple life forms such as (protozoa, invertebrates etc.) are unlikely to be sentient to the degree that they `experience' pain. And, while more neurologically complex creatures experience first order pain (the feel) only humans, and perhaps other primates to lesser degree, are likely to experience second order pain awareness (suffering), i.e. knowing, anticipating and reflecting on their pain experience. This question of the continuity/discontinuity between animal pain and human pain in an important issue that warrants further research and reflection.
While the book is a worthwhile addition to the literature on this important issue I found it to be slightly disappointing. Murray's prose while not terrible are plodding at times, and, despite some excellent parts the book is somewhat unfocused and in need of editing, occasionally getting lost in weeds of some rather specious side arguments (e.g. the intellectual argument for an Old Earth deception). Some of this material while not uninteresting came across as filler.
Overall, this is a solid work on an interesting subject that may be worth a look for those interested in the evidential argument from evil. That said, arguably the strongest part of the book (article co-authored with Ross) is available on-line at no cost.
The issue of animal pain is an important and increasingly popular topic within the so-called evidential problem of evil. The evidential argument contends that while evil is not logically incompatible with theism, certain types of evil make the existence of God unlikely. The argument can be formulated as:
Premise A. Gratuitous evil is inconsistent with God
Premise B. An all powerful God could and would eliminate gratuitous evil
Premise C. Gratuitous evil exists
Conclusion. It is unlikely that God exists
Within the evidential argument animal pain is often used as a paradigm example of gratuitous evil (evil which does not serve any greater good). This is particularly seen to be the case with animal pain and suffering that occurred prior to man's arrival on the scene and thus not clearly amenable to certain theistic arguments such as `The Fall'.
In the text, Murray provides a detailed discussion of the relationship between animal pain and theism looking at many of the different challenges and responses it has triggered. From my perspective the most interesting aspect of the book is the chapter that discusses the relationship between cognition and pain (based on a 2006 article co-authored with Glenn Ross `Neo-Cartesianism and the Problem of animal suffering'). In considering the relevant contemporary philosophical and scientific thought, Murray suggests that animal pain and suffering is linked to neurological complexity - greater the complexity greater pain awareness. While this is not a particularly new idea, Murray's discussion does highlight the question as to whether or not the problem of animal pain is as significant as many of us are initially inclined to think. That is to say, that while all creatures appear to exhibit pain behaviour when exposed to the appropriate pain inducing stimuli, many simple life forms such as (protozoa, invertebrates etc.) are unlikely to be sentient to the degree that they `experience' pain. And, while more neurologically complex creatures experience first order pain (the feel) only humans, and perhaps other primates to lesser degree, are likely to experience second order pain awareness (suffering), i.e. knowing, anticipating and reflecting on their pain experience. This question of the continuity/discontinuity between animal pain and human pain in an important issue that warrants further research and reflection.
While the book is a worthwhile addition to the literature on this important issue I found it to be slightly disappointing. Murray's prose while not terrible are plodding at times, and, despite some excellent parts the book is somewhat unfocused and in need of editing, occasionally getting lost in weeds of some rather specious side arguments (e.g. the intellectual argument for an Old Earth deception). Some of this material while not uninteresting came across as filler.
Overall, this is a solid work on an interesting subject that may be worth a look for those interested in the evidential argument from evil. That said, arguably the strongest part of the book (article co-authored with Ross) is available on-line at no cost.
2 of 4 people found the following review helpful
IMPORTANT BOOK
19 Jan 2010
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I WILL BE ADDING TO THIS REVIEW SOON. This is one of the most important books in the history of animal theology. This is the only book length treatment of an "animal theodicy" that I know of.
*There is no adequate theodicy for animals, atleast not one in particular, so argues the author, but taken together a rational case for an animal theodicy can be made - not a conclusive or satisfying theodicy, but a reasonable, defensible one. It turns out not to look much different than the one that applies to humans. Because really we aren't that different than the the other animals we share this earth with. Many other species think and feel in something like an anthropmorphic way. Everything with a nervous system knows pain to varying degrees of consciousness.
I just wish this book had come from someone who was willing to say more about what we can do to improve the lives of animals, which in my mind starts with becoming a vegetarian. Not until we quit objectifying these animals will they ever be liberated. But perhaps it is better that the author appear more detached if that's what it takes to compell other theologians to take a serious look at the plight of animals - as individuals, not just as species.
*There is no adequate theodicy for animals, atleast not one in particular, so argues the author, but taken together a rational case for an animal theodicy can be made - not a conclusive or satisfying theodicy, but a reasonable, defensible one. It turns out not to look much different than the one that applies to humans. Because really we aren't that different than the the other animals we share this earth with. Many other species think and feel in something like an anthropmorphic way. Everything with a nervous system knows pain to varying degrees of consciousness.
I just wish this book had come from someone who was willing to say more about what we can do to improve the lives of animals, which in my mind starts with becoming a vegetarian. Not until we quit objectifying these animals will they ever be liberated. But perhaps it is better that the author appear more detached if that's what it takes to compell other theologians to take a serious look at the plight of animals - as individuals, not just as species.
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