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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
Format:Paperback
As far as I can tell, this is just the US release of "The Rebel Sell", so I wouldn't go for the two for one deal.
Nonetheless, it might be worth getting one of them. Here's a simple test.
Picture Naomi Klein in your mind. Do you now feel:
a) Unmitigated fury at the horrible lies this woman is telling about the wonders of the market system
b) All warm and fuzzy inside
c) Sympathetic to her goals, but suspicious that she's basically a bit of a poser
If the answer is c), go on ahead and buy yourself a copy. Odds are you'll find it refreshing, insightful and sometimes even funny.
Nonetheless, it might be worth getting one of them. Here's a simple test.
Picture Naomi Klein in your mind. Do you now feel:
a) Unmitigated fury at the horrible lies this woman is telling about the wonders of the market system
b) All warm and fuzzy inside
c) Sympathetic to her goals, but suspicious that she's basically a bit of a poser
If the answer is c), go on ahead and buy yourself a copy. Odds are you'll find it refreshing, insightful and sometimes even funny.
Format:Paperback
Heath and Potter set out to square the circle on how consumerism and counterculture aren't mutually exclusive - how the hippies of the 1960s and 1970s become the yuppies of the 1980s. They put together a skillful argument in the early part of the book that counterculture is an extension of the bohemian artistic view of the world that has been around for centuries. In terms of class: the traditonal landed gentry whose riches are in heirlooms have been supplanted by the merchant classes and now with the knowledge economy there has been a rise of a creative class.
Heath and Potter take things further when they seek to disprove the fallacies that they see the counterculture has been built on. Many of their points are valid, however where it falls down is in its criticism is in its opposition to the 'appropriate technology' aspect of counterculture. This is where the Homebrew Computer Club came from, the community norms for successful web 2.0 pioneers like Flickr, the EFF, open web technologies and open source software. Their whole argument is that libertarian values on the web were responsible for the rise of spam. To me this was like saying that the laser printer and the laminating machine are responsible for underage drinking.
The laser printer and the laminating machine can be used to make fake IDs, but they can also be used to make notices in community centres and legitimate IDs that help utility company personnel reassure vulnerable consumers that they are the real deal.
Nation of Rebels is a facinating well-researched read: its authors Heath and Potter are masters in the art of rhetoric, however I wouldn't take everything at face value in the book.
Heath and Potter take things further when they seek to disprove the fallacies that they see the counterculture has been built on. Many of their points are valid, however where it falls down is in its criticism is in its opposition to the 'appropriate technology' aspect of counterculture. This is where the Homebrew Computer Club came from, the community norms for successful web 2.0 pioneers like Flickr, the EFF, open web technologies and open source software. Their whole argument is that libertarian values on the web were responsible for the rise of spam. To me this was like saying that the laser printer and the laminating machine are responsible for underage drinking.
The laser printer and the laminating machine can be used to make fake IDs, but they can also be used to make notices in community centres and legitimate IDs that help utility company personnel reassure vulnerable consumers that they are the real deal.
Nation of Rebels is a facinating well-researched read: its authors Heath and Potter are masters in the art of rhetoric, however I wouldn't take everything at face value in the book.
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32 of 35 people found the following review helpful
Brilliant, Witty
21 Jan 2005
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A brilliant, witty critique of the counterculture and how it has diverted our energies from pursuing effective political solutions to our social problems and redirected them into silly, self-indulgent, self-defeating gestures of pseudo-rebellion. Very similar to what Thomas Frank and his crew of wits at The Baffler are saying, only more incisive and analytical. Heath and Potter are masters of lucid exposition (for example, I've never read a more elegant description of the Prisoner's Dilemma than theirs) who use Thorstein Veblen's economic theories to pull the whole lid off the notion of commodified "dissent".
My only quarrel with the book is that 1) it is light on prescription (the authors content themselves with brief, general calls for more regulation to control the worst excesses of corporate behavior); and 2) it doesn't always address the strongest arguments against corporate hegemony (the authors are content to argue that Walmart isn't so bad, because it offers low prices and friendly service, but they don't mention anything about its underhanded business practices or its devastating effect on local economies).
Nevertheless, this is the most persuasive and thoroughgoing critique I've yet read on the sad fraud that is the counterculture.
My only quarrel with the book is that 1) it is light on prescription (the authors content themselves with brief, general calls for more regulation to control the worst excesses of corporate behavior); and 2) it doesn't always address the strongest arguments against corporate hegemony (the authors are content to argue that Walmart isn't so bad, because it offers low prices and friendly service, but they don't mention anything about its underhanded business practices or its devastating effect on local economies).
Nevertheless, this is the most persuasive and thoroughgoing critique I've yet read on the sad fraud that is the counterculture.
101 of 122 people found the following review helpful
brilliant book, but within limits
9 Jan 2005
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A good book to consider in tandem with this one is James Masterson's "The Search for the Real Self." Masterson's thesis is that those with borderline and narcissistic personality disorders have never really had support for the development of real, authentic, core selves. It's but a small leap from there to Christopher Lasch's "The Culture of Narcissism." The idea is that many, and perhaps most, Americans today have that pervasive sense of emptiness, a lack of self.
One of the authors of "Nation of Rebels" admits to having been a punk rocker rebel in a prior phase of life. He then goes on to say that that phase was, he realized upon reflection, an example of the false rebellion that the book talks about. But then, disturbingly, it becomes apparent as one reads the book, that Heath and Potter assume the same lack of self in all members of todays "nation of rebels." In other words, all consumption is based upon false, status, pseudo-rebellious tendencies.
The problem here is that the authors assume that no one buys a BMW in order to have an exciting driving experience, but only to impress the neighbors. They assume that no one buys a home theater in order to simply enjoy movies, but only to have the latest "thing." They would assume that no 20 year old would quit college simply because it wasn't right for him or her, and that the only conceivable reason would be a false sense of rebellion against parents, society, or whatnot.
In other words, they truly seem to believe what they posit early in the book: that real, authentic selves do not exist. In anyone. Talk about psychological projection outward from their own inner circumstances on a doozy of a scale! To that extent, as brilliant as this book is, I suspect that the authors are playing at being deeper, more serious social activists, and are playing at being Canadian philosophy professors, in the same exact way that one of them once played at being a rebel.
The second limitation of the book is the assumption that the authors make that "progressive" politics are a given. If you disagree with that premise, as conservatives, moderates, and many of the countercultural-type liberals that Heath and Potter are attacking in this book would surely do, then the authors have nothing for you. The book collapses into a battle between the authors as Ralph Nader-like diligent old-style liberals, and the standard liberal of the Clinton or Kerry variety. As such, the true audience for this book becomes, in all likelihood, the conservative reader-as-voyeur, as such standard liberal icons as Marcuse, Ellul, Mumford, Laing, Baudrillard, Foucault, and on and on are cleaned and gutted with profound gusto.
I sense this is an important book, and is a bomb thrown into a crowded room. I'm not sure what the results are, or what they will be further down the road. I look forward to how other readers respond.
One of the authors of "Nation of Rebels" admits to having been a punk rocker rebel in a prior phase of life. He then goes on to say that that phase was, he realized upon reflection, an example of the false rebellion that the book talks about. But then, disturbingly, it becomes apparent as one reads the book, that Heath and Potter assume the same lack of self in all members of todays "nation of rebels." In other words, all consumption is based upon false, status, pseudo-rebellious tendencies.
The problem here is that the authors assume that no one buys a BMW in order to have an exciting driving experience, but only to impress the neighbors. They assume that no one buys a home theater in order to simply enjoy movies, but only to have the latest "thing." They would assume that no 20 year old would quit college simply because it wasn't right for him or her, and that the only conceivable reason would be a false sense of rebellion against parents, society, or whatnot.
In other words, they truly seem to believe what they posit early in the book: that real, authentic selves do not exist. In anyone. Talk about psychological projection outward from their own inner circumstances on a doozy of a scale! To that extent, as brilliant as this book is, I suspect that the authors are playing at being deeper, more serious social activists, and are playing at being Canadian philosophy professors, in the same exact way that one of them once played at being a rebel.
The second limitation of the book is the assumption that the authors make that "progressive" politics are a given. If you disagree with that premise, as conservatives, moderates, and many of the countercultural-type liberals that Heath and Potter are attacking in this book would surely do, then the authors have nothing for you. The book collapses into a battle between the authors as Ralph Nader-like diligent old-style liberals, and the standard liberal of the Clinton or Kerry variety. As such, the true audience for this book becomes, in all likelihood, the conservative reader-as-voyeur, as such standard liberal icons as Marcuse, Ellul, Mumford, Laing, Baudrillard, Foucault, and on and on are cleaned and gutted with profound gusto.
I sense this is an important book, and is a bomb thrown into a crowded room. I'm not sure what the results are, or what they will be further down the road. I look forward to how other readers respond.
33 of 39 people found the following review helpful
Excellent Thesis, Mediocre Execution
19 Oct 2005
Format:Paperback
The authors are right on in their fundamental critique of counterculture "politics." They describe how much counterculture activity does not the subvert the "system" at all and actually interferes with authentic efforts toward social justice.
For example, the counterculture emphasis on individuality and uniqueness prevents many leftists activists from making a coherent case for increasing state regulations in an effort to achieve progressive aims such as less inequality and a cleaner environment.
Unfortunately, the authors too frequently engage in overgeneralizations. Their overgeneralizations are so numerous that they often appear guilty of the very all-or-nothing thinking that they accuse counterculture rebels of. Furthermore, the authors make too many blanket assertions about subjects that are outside their field of expertise. These unsubstantiated assertions seriously undermine their credibility.
This book is a great first draft, but it should have been better researched, should have included better footnotes, and should have been far less polemical.
The main problem I see with the counterculture "rebels" is that they too often engage in black or white thinking. For example, rejecting all of the capitalism because of certain problems. However, this book will not go far in changing that because the authors commit the exact same error in thought.
In short, this book's main idea desparately needs to gain currency among leftists, but it must be presented by an author who is more nuanced, scholarly, and less judgemental than these two.
For example, the counterculture emphasis on individuality and uniqueness prevents many leftists activists from making a coherent case for increasing state regulations in an effort to achieve progressive aims such as less inequality and a cleaner environment.
Unfortunately, the authors too frequently engage in overgeneralizations. Their overgeneralizations are so numerous that they often appear guilty of the very all-or-nothing thinking that they accuse counterculture rebels of. Furthermore, the authors make too many blanket assertions about subjects that are outside their field of expertise. These unsubstantiated assertions seriously undermine their credibility.
This book is a great first draft, but it should have been better researched, should have included better footnotes, and should have been far less polemical.
The main problem I see with the counterculture "rebels" is that they too often engage in black or white thinking. For example, rejecting all of the capitalism because of certain problems. However, this book will not go far in changing that because the authors commit the exact same error in thought.
In short, this book's main idea desparately needs to gain currency among leftists, but it must be presented by an author who is more nuanced, scholarly, and less judgemental than these two.
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