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Minds I
  

Minds I (Paperback)

by Hofstadter Douglas R. (Author), Dennett Daniel C. (Author), Hofstadter Doug (Author)
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  • Paperback
  • Publisher: E Bantam Books (1 Dec 1986)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0553343432
  • ISBN-13: 978-0553343434
  • Product Dimensions: 22.9 x 15.2 x 3 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars See all reviews (7 customer reviews)
  • Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 203,276 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

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23 of 24 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Essential reading on the philosophy of minds and machines., 12 Jun 2000
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This book is thought-provoking reading for the lay reader. It contains some of the most influential contributions to the field (Searle on Minds, Brains and Programs, Nagel on What is it like to be a Bat?) as well as relevant fictional pieces. Much of it is light-hearted - I especially enjoyed Raymond Smullyan's pieces - and the interested reader can hardly fail to be entertained as well as fascinated.

The editors Hofstadter and Dennett have very definite views of their own, and each article is followed by "reflections", which sometimes amount to their verdict on the soundness (or otherwise) of the views expressed in the selections. The flavour of these might seem cheeky to you if you already know and admire some of these articles. For myself, I find Dennett and Hofstadter convincing, but would like to see counter-rebuttals by the original authors.

Published in 1981, this book came too early to include any reference to Roger Penrose's excursions onto this territory in "The Emperor's New Mind" and "Shadows of the Mind". Readers of Hofstadter's earlier "Goedel, Escher, Bach" will already have seen the bones of Penrose's argument for the non-computability of the mind and Hofstadter's rebuttal of it.

It should not be inferred from the above that the book consists entirely in the stirring up of philosophical controversy. Parts of it simply do the job of good science fiction (and good philosophy), raising deep questions about the nature of minds and consciousness which the authors do not necessarily attempt to answer.

I re-read this book every couple of years and never fail to be entertained and dazzled. You owe it to yourself to read it.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Do you believe in Computers?, 3 Jan 2002
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A fantastic mixture of essays and extracts by various philosophers, psychologists, scientists and sci-fi writers on, among other things, consciousness, free will and God, and the mind-body problem. A very stimulating way for anyone who wants to get into philosophy, because it contains so many different viewpoints and weird ways of looking at the world (the world? - what's that?), with essays including 'What is it like to be a bat?' and 'A conversation with Einstein's brain'. If you think you've got a soul, read this and you won't. Even the greatest sceptics of intelligent computers (as I was) will be converted. Read it and be utterly confused (life's so much more fun...)
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5.0 out of 5 stars An I-opening experience, 24 Nov 2005
By Kurt Messick "FrKurt Messick" (London, SW1) - See all my reviews
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After writing the magnificent 'Godel, Escher, Bach', for which he won a Pulitzer Prize, computer scientist Douglas Hofstadter (a professor at my alma mater, Indiana University) collaborated with philosopher Daniel Dennett on this anthology of essays and stories that explore the areas of human and artificial intelligence.

What is the mind? What is the self? Is there really a soul? Are feelings and emotions artificial constructs of information bits inside of us, and if so, is it possible that machines can think and feel for themselves?

For that matter, do we truly think and feel for ourselves?

Hofstadter and Dennett have selected pieces that approach these questions from many angles, from hard-science observational techniques to spirituality dimensions in stories. Each piece is followed by a reflection that sets the context of the piece in relation to the larger question of intelligence.

Contributors include mathematician Rudy Rucker ('Infinity and the Mind'), philosophers Raymond Smullyan (perhaps best known for logic puzzles) and Robert Nozick, literary figures such as Jorge Luis Borges and Stanislaw Lem, and pioneers in the field such as Alan Turing.

The editors use a section of Turing's early article on 'Computing Machinery and Intelligence' from 1950 to set up much of the subsequent discussion. One often overlooked idea from Turing, oddly popular among British scholars of the first half of the twentieth century (and still more prevalent among British scholars and intellectuals than those of other cultures) is the idea of ESP and paranormal abilities. Turing felt that the final difference between machine-thinking, once it had reached full potential, and human thinking would be that humans have the capacity for ESP and other such abilities.

Turing's foundational point rests on the answer to and the meaning of the question, will a machine ever think? Turing's answer to this is yes, and upon this assumption, the meaning of a machine thinking becomes the critical determinant. People infuse too much emotionalism into the question, Turing thought. Ironically, half a century after Turing and two decades after publication of The Mind's I, people watch depictions of thinking machines in science fiction shows without a second thought, even as these shows explore the connection between thinking and emotion.

As many of the essays and stories make clear, it is often as much the way the question is asked as it is the content of the answer that can make a difference in the way the observer reacts and interprets. And yet, it becomes difficult to distinguish linguistic intelligence, intellect, and 'having a soul'. One question that is addressed can serve as illustration: Do animals have souls? For instance, does a chimpanzee with with partial linguistic ability learned in a laboratory and greater ability to care for herself and her offspring have more of a soul than an human being who is physical and mentally impaired? Almost everyone would say no, but how this difference is characterised becomes difficult in many contexts.

Terrel Miedaner has an intriguing set of stories, 'The Soul of Martha, a Beast' and 'The Soul of the Mark III Beast', which explores the fuzzy dividing line between the way in which we think of human feelings, animal feelings, and potentially even machine emotional responses. Part of the analysis of Hofstadter and Dennett focuses upon the construction of the stories, which are purposefully designed to evoke human emotional responses to anthropomorphised creatures. But this begs the question -- if we can anthropomorphise them, to what extent might they in fact have elements in common with human beings that make them worthy of consideration on a human level?

Issues such as the difference between education and programming, free will and determined patterns, conscious and unconscious potentials, and (perhaps both most maddening and enlightening) the difference between reality, apparent reality, belief, and thought about belief (see Smullyan's 'An Epistemological Nightmare').

This is a very entertaining, often witty, occasionally disturbing book, that presents these philosophical problems in an accessible format.

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