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7 of 7 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
LET DOWN BY THE SOUND,
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This review is from: Mahler - Symphony No 8 (Audio CD)
This disc seems to have elicited fairly extreme responses, judging by the reviews below. And I'm afraid I have to count myself among the disappointed, particularly with respect to the recorded sound. I can't believe it's my set-up that puts me at odds with some of the glowing responses this recording has elicited - the EMI engineers in this series usually produce stunning sounds on my system (e.g. Symphonies 2,3 & 7). Certainly there is an impressively wide dynamic range here from the barely audible tremolo basses in Part 1 to the vast organ-supported sound at the end. But too often, when there's a lot going on, the sound becomes muddy and congested. This becomes lethal to important contrapuntal sections like the big double-fugue in the development section of Part 1. I'm loath to blame Rattle since he's normally so precise with his orchestral balance throughout his Mahler cycle. I get the feeling that the engineers just didn't cope too well with the scope of the piece, recorded in live conditions. Most of the time (but not always) the soloists are right in your face, masking the detail of the orchestra and choruses. Yet a purely orchestral passage like the opening of Part 2 works well enough in sound terms (easier to record?). The offstage brass at the ends of both Parts are just buried away in the orchestra somewhere, indistinguishable from the rest of the brass in acoustic terms - I remember Bernstein in the Albert Hall had them placed to stunning effect in the top gallery at the back of the hall (so he seemed to be conducting the entire space of the Albert Hall at the end: very Lennie!) and his CBS engineers at Walthamstow straight after that show gave a pretty good 2-D stereo impression of the same.Rattle always maintained that his Mahler cycle wouldn't necessarily be complete. And the Eighth was the problem-child that he couldn't quite get to grips with. Now the cycle is complete and maybe those problems still show through despite, I'm sure, a lot of homework on his part. Certainly he applies all his skill and knowledge of Mahler to good effect here - but not to great effect! The pacing is good throughout, the orchestral balance allows woodwinds, harmonium, mandolin, etc. a chance to be heard, the various elements of Part 2 are held together admirably, the final pages grow impressively from extreme piano to extreme fortissimo with fine, largely well-tuned choral singing. It's a very sound performance. But I want something more than 'sound' in the Symphony of a Thousand. I want thrills, spills, excitement, ravishment and knockout punches. Take the very opening: Rattle's allegro is a good sensible speed. But it lacks the sheer energy of a Bernstein or a Solti or the grandeur of Stokowski. Veni Creator spiritus - Come, spirit of creation. The huge build-up and release as we get to the restatement of that theme at the start of the recapitulation knocks you for six under Bernstein or Horenstein - here it just feels like the beginning of the recapitulation. Part 2 fares better, particularly the slow introduction (where, as I've said, the engineers don't get in the way). The scherzo-like sections, too, show Rattle's familiar light, rhythmic hand. The soloists, as in all Mahler Eights, are a mixed bunch from the good (Isokoski & Wilson-Johnson, for example) to the somewhat strained and trying Villars - a shame since Doctor Marianus is such an important part towards the end of the Goethe. No, for a great performance, go historical to Stokowski or Horenstein (the latter in the vastnesses of the Albert Hall, whose tricky acoustics always seem to me to add to this work). If you need modern sound (and the Eighth does undeniably benefit), probably Tennstedt or Chailly. And, for a mixture of both, don't ignore Solti (one of the best in his series) or the irrepressible Bernstein.
9 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
The universe resounding - truly!,
By MartinP "MartinP" (Nijmegen, The Netherlands) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Mahler - Symphony No 8 (Audio CD)
Well, what can one say, except 'wow', or something similarly monosyllabic. Since the teenage years when this work caught my fascination, and I decided to get every recording of it I could get my hands on (attending a life performance really seemed too much to hope for), I collected a dozen versions of this work. And this one surpasses them all. It simply left me gasping: the blazing final chords have never sounded more immense and overwhelming on disc. The whole reading has that true sense of scale that is a prerequisite for this symphony (many modern day conductors, or more likely, concert managers, keep insisting on presenting minimalist renderings). Soloists are placed in a natural perspective, and the choruses are excitingly stereophonic, incisive and powerful. For once, the children's choir is audible throughout, and you can count on these Birmingham and Toronto youths to make the most of it.The soloists may not be a perfect match to the most luxurious line-ups of previous recordings (notably Solti's and Sinopoli's), but blend in very well, and Soile Isokoski does give us a most delightful Gretchen. Jon Vickars however sounds taxed and even somewhat frayed; that said, unlike many of his colleagues he at least shows himself capable of singing a true piano. In the end, this is a minor quibble, for as Mahler said, in this symphony the voices are in fact orchestral instruments, and the thing that places this reading hors concours as far as I'm concerned is that it is a very orchestral reading. I know of no other Eight on disc that allows you to hear so much of what is going on in the orchestra, and played so beautifully at that: the Birmingham orchestra has clearly succeeded in maintaining its world class stature after Rattle's departure. I've not been a regular fan of Rattle's Mahler. Most of his recordings I found whimsical and fussy, and in my humble opinion his recording of the Second is one of the most insistently overpraised discs in the catalogue. Only his two recordings of the Tenth I have found truly rewarding. With this Eight he sets the record straight, especially seeing that this is a `live' recording (though you won't hear a sound from the audience). A recent, shockingly garbled attempt at this work by Gergiev in Amsterdam once again showed that even the greatest conductors can get into trouble trying to keep these mammoth forces and complex structures together - disaster was only barely avoided. No such trouble here: the execution is of dazzling precision, and gives free reign to musical inspiration. Mahler considered this to be his greatest work, and it certainly was his greatest public success, less than a year before he died. In later years it has come to be regarded as overblown and old-fashioned, but I feel there is a true and heartfelt, life-enhancing vision behind these notes that Rattle knows to realize like few before him. A must-have, I would say!
14 of 17 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Mahler Very Alive,
By NNNNN "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Mahler - Symphony No 8 (Audio CD)
My favorite Mahler 8th recordings seem to be those recorded in concert. Horenstein on BBC Legends and Gielen's recording at the Frankfurt Opera at a give away price on Sony Essential Classics just brim with energy and insight. Now there are many fine studio recordings of this work but live seems to bring out the best in all. You are on the high wire without a net so you had better be prepared. That Rattle is and this splendid performance joins Horenstein and Gielen as among my favorites. Rattle's association with Mahler is a long one. At age 17 at the Royal College of Music he put together (with no help from the school) on his own a performance of Mahler's 2nd Symphony. Over nearly 20 years he has been recording the symphonies but had always said he was not sure if he would do all of them which of course has had the bean counters at EMI on edge. The recordings up to now have , like most, been a mixed bag. Like several other conductors such as Barbirolli, Rattle has avoided the 8th being quite honest in saying he could not quite figure it out as a whole. He first conducted it in 2002 and in June, 2004 returned to his old stomping grounds in Birmingham for 3 concerts of this work which EMI recorded. It is quite obvious that Rattle has over come any qualms about the work and there is no mixed bag here. Veni, creator spiritus does not open the work but must lift it up and launch it. The hard part is keeping it aloft for the rest of the movement, something that has defeated many performances. Rattle takes it up and keeps it there through out. Like the Horenstein performance the choirs here are not a wall of sound but have detail and depth. You feel as if you could dive into it for a swim. Quite wonderful is how the children's choir at the end nicely soars out in a most heavenly manner. They are not struggling like most but are an equal part of the whole. One thing that has evolved in Rattle's Mahler is his attention to the woodwinds which are often swamped in many Mahler performances. He has also learned from several old times about the different style of woodwind playing during Mahler's time. The result is that the woodwinds are not only in their proper perspective but also have a slight pungency to the that often gives a different texture to the sound. The orchestral opening of Part II is not merely treated as an interlude to give the choir a rest but turns into a mini tone poem. The playing is so fine here that after listening to the whole work I went back and listened to it again.
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