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King, Warrior, Magician, Lover : Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine [Paperback]

Robert Moore , Douglas Gillette
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  • Paperback: 194 pages
  • Publisher: HarperSanFrancisco; New edition edition (6 Feb 1992)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0062506064
  • ISBN-13: 978-0062506061
  • Product Dimensions: 15.4 x 1.3 x 23.4 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (16 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 23,360 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Jungian analyst Robert Moore and mythologist Douglas Gillette combine in this book that attempts to break the code on the structure of the mature masculine personality. Examining the four mature archtypes: the King (energy of creative ordering), the Warrior (energy of non-violent aggressive action), the Magician (energy of initiation and transformation) and the Lover (energy to connect men to others and the world). The authors argue that a man's failure or success in life depends on achieving access to the archetypal energies.

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THE BESTSELLING, WIDELY HERALDED, JUNGIAN INTRODUCTION TO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL FOUNDATION OF A MATURE, AUTHENTIC, AND REVITALIZED MASCULINITY.

"The author take on the difficult task of separating man from boy by excavating 'psychological facts' from ancient myths and modern movies"
MICHAEL J. MEADE

"A map for men…When the intellectual history of the twentieth century is written, Moore's shrewd analysis of Jungian thought…will occupy an important place. [Moore and Gillette] are handing men concrete images and explicit ways of thinking and being, ways to mature and still remain fully masculine"
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"A liberating guide to self-transformation"
PUBLISHERS WEEKLY

"An exciting view of masculinity, one rooted not in domination but in creativity and empowerment of the self and others"
NEW AGE JOURNAL


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12 of 12 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars Nice insights but very New Agey 22 Aug 2010
By Patrick Løye VINE™ VOICE
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Lying just beneath the surface of our conscious male minds, lies the structural framework of 4 great male archetypes. Each with their own attributes and unique characteristics, our mission is to allow these elements of our being to come to light. To cultivate their growth and imbue our very selves with the spirit and energy of these beings...

No, I wasn't describing the latest Final Fantasy or Pokemon game to you. This is, in fact, the hypothesis postulated by our intrepid authors; Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette. A tantalising one to say the least! Now, any man with a shred of intelligence will of course realise that we don't have a physical manifestation of a king going "get me out of here... I'm being cramped by your stomach and gall bladder", or that we have ghosts inside us ready to possess us... but more that the behaviours intrinsic to the classical male models are present in our instinctive framework. Any notion of an actual king in you is mere imagery to help move the process along (after all, vivid images are easier to grasp than banal ones)

In terms of fundamental principles... it's a delightful, uplifting idea. Not only do our authors say "these are the qualities men should aim for", but they comfort us with the notion that these very qualities are inside of us... we just haven't quite realised it. And for people seeking personal change, this is an excellent thing to encourage. All to often, the mistake in self-help is the focus on looking elsewhere for what we want - overlooking the fact that we have what we need inside of us... meaning that the poor readers engage in a game of trying to attain as many external symbols of success to feel good (be it more money, fast cars, big jobs or notches on their belt)

So as a concept goes... it's delightful. Horribly new agey, which I often despise... but I can't help but love the idea. The authors explain the 4 traits clearly enough to allow you to paint a vivid picture of the traits and character. They also explain the 'Shadow' aspects of the characters well, helping to keep you everything in check and not "overdo" it with the archetypes. This alone makes it a very helpful reference point. Instead of running yourself in circles trying to double-guess your behaviours and what to work on... simply cycle through the 4 archetypes. "Am I working like them?", if not, you know where to place more focus.

The book falls down, however, on its 'how to access the archetypes'. The tactics take 'New Age' to a new level, making me wonder if I need to grow a long beard and start frolicking naked in the forests for them to work. They're novel, but really not of much use unless you're said bearded, naked, frolicking man. Some of the 'evidence' towards the characteristics also get a bit tiresome and are sometimes very tenuous. "We met a kid who wanted to throw himself into the forest. THIS MEANS THAT THIS ARCHETYPE IS REAL!", "A man prayed to the God of love... and got laid. THIS STUFF IS GOOD!"

The way I see it... the book's main use is that it gives a decent framework to what is an abstract idea (how to be a mature masculine male). Take the guides and personality traits, lock them in the back of your mind - and be on your way. Don't waste time getting caught up with trying to 'unleash' the spirits inside you or start talking to them (You get funny looks when you do that). Every now and then, just think "Am I being like a [x]?" and then react accordingly. If the answer is 'no', see if you can find a way to work on it... but don't get too hung up on trying to 'be' them: That's called an 'ego trip' and makes you look like a self-righteous git.

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16 of 17 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars King Warrior Magician Lover 19 Jan 2009
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I have to review this book as I've read it once and am reading it for the second time now. I first heard of it when studying David DeAngelo's On Being a Man Program (look on-line if you want to see what that is). I'd have to say this is a whole new realm of facination for me. This book is a big influence on the Mankind Project, a society which actually provides the ritual innitation into manhood that the book talks about as missing from society. If you like mythology you're going to love this book as it brings many of the mythical gods from around the world to life in a whole new way. These mythical figures represent hard wired behaviour patterns in the male sub-concious. The book is a guide to what these archetypes are and how the play themselves out in men's lives. There's a section at the end of the book that gives four techniques for activating the archetypes in your own life. There's a case study of a guy who can't get women in his life and the Phycho Analyst recommeds a techniques for invoking Eros (the Greek god of love that's responsible for male sexual appeal). Needless to say the guy starts feeling and acting more attractive and goes on to get what he wants. There are immature and mature versions of the archetypes, while reading the dysfunctional behaviours of the immature types I felt like I was reading a autobiography of my own life, both my own behaviour over the years and other guy's behaviour. Many problems in the world are created by boys in men's bodies who didn't grow up and are now acting hostile and destructive to try and pretend that they're men. This book addresses the issue and teaches you to allow the mature male behaviours to grow in your own life. I prefer this book ot Iron John because it's much easier to understand and had more meaning for me.
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5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Encompassing wonder! 14 July 2008
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Having recently spent a week at Findhorn with Robert Moore and feeling his humility and kingly energy at first hand, as well as re-reading this inspirational book again, with a new slant, I am very much in awe of the powerful wisdom that is contained within the pages of possibly one of the primers of the male movement since the early 1990s. In person, Moore has quoted statistical evidence to back up the broad sweep of his intuitive claims for his four archetype theory, but such claims are not evidenced here, instead concentrating on a broad delineation.

Surely we are listening to the positive central tenets of the KWML in its outline of the passage from boyhood to manhood by now..?

However, a regular appraisal of any news TV and advertising will tell you otherwise.. the false heart of the reporting press seems more interested in a society in the grip of monster boys and high performing narcissists - even if disturbingly accurate. Or maybe these media outlets are reporting on a society that is badly in need of inclusive kingly provision, warrior focus, magician transformation, and lover intimacy? Such traits that are not even considered in their full maturity.. reaching a spiritual cardinal virtuosity as blessing, service, healing and joy.

Moore avers that the means of achieving the quest to obtain male maturity has been lost in a western framework and resembles a slow deliberate torture of the soul without maturation reference points, especially from those provided by older wiser men.

This book is a Jungian unravelling of the deep structures of the collective unconscious, and by emersing in its deep and rich information, has the potential to provide an archetypal journey of the Self with a concomitant mature strengthening of Egoic adaptations.

Moore originally dedicated his life to completing Jung's map of the collective unconscious, and instead stumbled upon a generation of men who readily 'incorporated' his work, and have culturally thrived in its deep reflective waters of male exploration..
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5.0 out of 5 stars An inspiring and fascinating read
I don't have a comprehensive knowledge of Jung but this book comes from an academic perspective and its rewards are in studying it as part of a general course of study in... Read more
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5.0 out of 5 stars Insightful, encouraging and human
I bought this book after attending a 'men's retreat' which stirred my interest in finding out more about the masculine archetypes within all men. Read more
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This book is written in a self-help kind of way, not totally suitable for the academic paper on archetypes I had bought it for. Read more
Published on 27 Jun 2010 by Lucas Muller
5.0 out of 5 stars Read and Learn
It is a good book for creative minds.
Maybe warrior male and king male don't like at first read.
All can learn about our dark side.
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