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14 of 15 people found the following review helpful
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In his inimitable style Pawson sparks a good deal of controversy (on a par with his previous books "Leadership is Male" and "The Normal Christian Birth") by standing opposed to tradition pentecostal and evangelical views concerning the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The main arguments upon which the central teaching of the book hinge are - 1. That believing in Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit are two distinct experiences, and 2. That receiving the Holy Spirit (or what is called being Baptised with the Spirit - terms which Pawson declares as synonymous throughout the New Testament) is a 'definite experience with identifiable evidences' as opposed to an unconcious experience automatic at the point of faith in Christ).
Pawson's thoroughness in approaching the subject is difficult to criticise. Broke into six segments he deals with the Old Testament's fortelling of the Spirit, how the individual Gospel writers looked on in anticipation of the Spirit's outpouring, how Acts unpacks the 'how' and 'what' of the Spirit's baptism, and how the Epistles reflect back on the same. He closes the book with a practical look at the implications of his teachings in the light of today's contemporary church.
Whether you're a die-hard evangelical or a fully persuaded pentecostal there will be plenty of stuff here to upset, but alternatively there will be more than enough to stimulate good, healthy thought. I strongly recommend this book for those wanting to stretch their traditional way of thinking about salvation and in particular the baptism of the Holy Spirit, its provocation worth its money!
Pawson's thoroughness in approaching the subject is difficult to criticise. Broke into six segments he deals with the Old Testament's fortelling of the Spirit, how the individual Gospel writers looked on in anticipation of the Spirit's outpouring, how Acts unpacks the 'how' and 'what' of the Spirit's baptism, and how the Epistles reflect back on the same. He closes the book with a practical look at the implications of his teachings in the light of today's contemporary church.
Whether you're a die-hard evangelical or a fully persuaded pentecostal there will be plenty of stuff here to upset, but alternatively there will be more than enough to stimulate good, healthy thought. I strongly recommend this book for those wanting to stretch their traditional way of thinking about salvation and in particular the baptism of the Holy Spirit, its provocation worth its money!
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A useful and complete study
16 Jan 2012
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I've read this book after reading Christianity Explained. I wanted more details and I found them in this book. A LOT of details.
David Pawson makes a comprehensive study of the Old and New Testament on the topic of the Holy Spirit. I think he covered pretty much everything and managed to boil it down to a few main ideas.
It is worth mentioning that the book covers the history of Christianity from the very beginning to the present day, following these main ideas about the Holy Spirit and how they were observed during the centuries.
The meat of the book is the chapter dedicated to the theoretical (and theological) aspects of the Holy Spirit, but there is also a chapter about practical matters.
All in all, it is a very good work of reference. You can probably find anything you need about the Holy Spirit here, or in the quoted works.
David Pawson makes a comprehensive study of the Old and New Testament on the topic of the Holy Spirit. I think he covered pretty much everything and managed to boil it down to a few main ideas.
It is worth mentioning that the book covers the history of Christianity from the very beginning to the present day, following these main ideas about the Holy Spirit and how they were observed during the centuries.
The meat of the book is the chapter dedicated to the theoretical (and theological) aspects of the Holy Spirit, but there is also a chapter about practical matters.
All in all, it is a very good work of reference. You can probably find anything you need about the Holy Spirit here, or in the quoted works.
Both 'PENTECOSTALS' and 'CESSATIONISTS' have things to UNLEARN.
4 April 2012
Format:Kindle Edition
Take note please - these are the views of an unregenerate Gentile.
Consider this Quote :
"The pentecostal stream would have to relinquish the unbiblical notion of two 'receptions' of the Spirit,one 'subsequent' to initiation..." (Chapter 7)
The PENTECOSTAL rediscovery (so to speak) of a biblical,OBSERVABLE,CONSCIOUS baptism in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4,Acts 8:18) was a tremendous step in the right direction - alas,Pentecostals adopted the Cessationist idea of an UNCONSCIOUS,automatic indwelling/RECEPTION,at the moment of conversion. Consequently,Pentecostals view baptism in the Holy Spirit as a seperate and 'subsequent' event. This is the key problem David addresses in the book (as well as the Pentecostal understanding that baptism in the Holy Spirit is primarily for power to serve and witness). Also,Pentecostals have a tendency to use the word 'fire' (right,left and center) as if the PRIMARY meaning in Holy Scripture was the ZEAL of the SAVED rather than the JUDGEMENT of the WICKED/LOST - ultimately in the Lake of Fire ; ABOVE ALL,in a way that does not reflect the PRIMARY way 'fire' is used by Messiah Jesus. Yes,a biblical case can be made for using 'fire' in the sense of zeal ; more so in the sense of purification - but that said,if the INTENDED weight of the word is not to be reduced,should followers of Messiah Jesus not be MIRRORING His usage of 'fire' ? (See also Messiah's use of 'thrown'/'cast' - Matthew 5:22,29/18:8/25:41;John 15:6 ; Revelation 14:9-11/20:15/21:7-8.) David mentions this tendency,thereby shedding light on the (somewhat puzzling) uncertainty of John the Baptist while in prison (Compare John 1:29-34 with Matthew 11:2-3 and Luke 7:19-20 ). As Michael L Brown rightly says in Our Hands Are Stained with Blood,we are not to say 'Israel' means one thing in Romans 11:25,and another in Romans 11:26. Well likewise,who are we to think fire means one thing in Matthew 3:10,12/Luke 3:16,but something else in Matthew 3:11/Luke 3:17 ! How should disciples PRIMARILY use 'fire' ? Should it not be in the same way as Messiah Jesus ?
Consider this quote :
"I [David Pawson,prior to 1964] had neither a conscious relationship with the Holy Spirit nor any direct experience of his power...most of my hearers were in the same boat." (Prologue)
With 'CESSATIONISTIC' preaching (on the other hand),it is not just what they say that is the problem,it is also what they DON'T : baptism in the Holy Spirit was a PRIMARY message of John the Baptist ; baptism in the Holy Spirit has a place of PROMINENCE in Acts,the Apostles sought to remedy any lack thereof immediately - yet,I believe you could go a long time before a Cessationist spoke on this matter of primacy and prominence. That absence of teaching speaks VOLUMES ! If,as Cessationists believe,Acts 8:4-25 and 10:1-48 are one-off 'mini Pentecosts' to inaugurate different people groups into the Body (Samaritans and Gentiles respectively),what new group existed at Corinth ?! Note Paul's instruction to ONGOINGLY and ZEALOUSLY covet these SPIRITUAL gifts (NOT natural abilities or aquired skills) ; even to base assembly practice around them - 1 Corinthians 12:1-11,28 and 14:26-33.
The book is TREMENDOUS,and VERY challenging for both Pentescostal and Cessationist alike. David Pawson was converted around 1947,aged 17,but it was not until 1964 that he understood what it was to RECEIVE and be BAPTISED in the Holy Spirit in a manner consistent with Acts 2:4/8:18/10:44-47/19:6,the prologue contains his testimony ; he does not want anyone else to have to wait that long. His own inadequate initiation perhaps explains why making sure converts are 'properly birthed' is one of the biggest burdens of his life.
There are another two COMPLEMENTARY works by David on this (with some measure of overlap between the three) : The Normal Christian Birth: How to Give New Believers a Proper Start in Life and Word and Spirit Together.
A well-rounded,WEIGHTY (outside the box/wineskin) understanding of the narrow Way comes from OBJECTIVE personal study of Holy Scripture ; outside of those INSPIRED words,some books (like bricks) collectively serve to build a fallible but robust defence against some of the (sincere or insincere) SUBJECTIVE misconceptions that have arisen over the last 1900 years. Everything written in that collection (indeed in any book about the narrow Way) must be tested by Holy Scripture,by God's TRUTH - not men's (well-intentioned,but) UNINSPIRED wineskins ; above all,by the words of the One Teacher - the Messiah (Matthew 23:10). One side of the INSPIRED Bible coin (so to speak) can lead to legalism or license - it takes BOTH sides of the TRUTH to properly nourish and equip a Second Covenant soldier of Messiah Jesus. This book on the PRIMARY message of John the Baptist and the need for an authentic RECEPTION of the Holy Spirit,is one of the collection.
(The Bible coin : Matthew 4:5-6/Matthew 4:7 ; John 3:17/Acts 10:42 ; John 3:16/Luke 13:3 ; Mark 8:12/Hebrews 2:4 ; John 6:37/Luke 14:26 ; Matthew 11: 30/ Luke 14:25-35 ; Acts 2:38/Acts 19:2 ; 1 Corinthians 14:18,26-33/1 Corinthians 14:19,40 ; Titus 3:5/Ephesians 2:10 ; John 1:17/Matthew 28:20 ; Matthew 7:1-5/1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ; John 10:11/John 12:24 ; John 10:10/1 Corinthians 5:14-15 ; 1 Thessalonians 1:10/Revelation 6:9-11 ; 1 John 1:6-9/Hebrews 10:26-31 ; Romans 8:11/John 15:6 ; Romans 8:30/Romans 11:11,19-22 ; 1 John 4:18/1 Peter 1:17 - and so on.)
Take note please - these are the views of an unregenerate Gentile.
Consider this Quote :
"The pentecostal stream would have to relinquish the unbiblical notion of two 'receptions' of the Spirit,one 'subsequent' to initiation..." (Chapter 7)
The PENTECOSTAL rediscovery (so to speak) of a biblical,OBSERVABLE,CONSCIOUS baptism in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4,Acts 8:18) was a tremendous step in the right direction - alas,Pentecostals adopted the Cessationist idea of an UNCONSCIOUS,automatic indwelling/RECEPTION,at the moment of conversion. Consequently,Pentecostals view baptism in the Holy Spirit as a seperate and 'subsequent' event. This is the key problem David addresses in the book (as well as the Pentecostal understanding that baptism in the Holy Spirit is primarily for power to serve and witness). Also,Pentecostals have a tendency to use the word 'fire' (right,left and center) as if the PRIMARY meaning in Holy Scripture was the ZEAL of the SAVED rather than the JUDGEMENT of the WICKED/LOST - ultimately in the Lake of Fire ; ABOVE ALL,in a way that does not reflect the PRIMARY way 'fire' is used by Messiah Jesus. Yes,a biblical case can be made for using 'fire' in the sense of zeal ; more so in the sense of purification - but that said,if the INTENDED weight of the word is not to be reduced,should followers of Messiah Jesus not be MIRRORING His usage of 'fire' ? (See also Messiah's use of 'thrown'/'cast' - Matthew 5:22,29/18:8/25:41;John 15:6 ; Revelation 14:9-11/20:15/21:7-8.) David mentions this tendency,thereby shedding light on the (somewhat puzzling) uncertainty of John the Baptist while in prison (Compare John 1:29-34 with Matthew 11:2-3 and Luke 7:19-20 ). As Michael L Brown rightly says in Our Hands Are Stained with Blood,we are not to say 'Israel' means one thing in Romans 11:25,and another in Romans 11:26. Well likewise,who are we to think fire means one thing in Matthew 3:10,12/Luke 3:16,but something else in Matthew 3:11/Luke 3:17 ! How should disciples PRIMARILY use 'fire' ? Should it not be in the same way as Messiah Jesus ?
Consider this quote :
"I [David Pawson,prior to 1964] had neither a conscious relationship with the Holy Spirit nor any direct experience of his power...most of my hearers were in the same boat." (Prologue)
With 'CESSATIONISTIC' preaching (on the other hand),it is not just what they say that is the problem,it is also what they DON'T : baptism in the Holy Spirit was a PRIMARY message of John the Baptist ; baptism in the Holy Spirit has a place of PROMINENCE in Acts,the Apostles sought to remedy any lack thereof immediately - yet,I believe you could go a long time before a Cessationist spoke on this matter of primacy and prominence. That absence of teaching speaks VOLUMES ! If,as Cessationists believe,Acts 8:4-25 and 10:1-48 are one-off 'mini Pentecosts' to inaugurate different people groups into the Body (Samaritans and Gentiles respectively),what new group existed at Corinth ?! Note Paul's instruction to ONGOINGLY and ZEALOUSLY covet these SPIRITUAL gifts (NOT natural abilities or aquired skills) ; even to base assembly practice around them - 1 Corinthians 12:1-11,28 and 14:26-33.
The book is TREMENDOUS,and VERY challenging for both Pentescostal and Cessationist alike. David Pawson was converted around 1947,aged 17,but it was not until 1964 that he understood what it was to RECEIVE and be BAPTISED in the Holy Spirit in a manner consistent with Acts 2:4/8:18/10:44-47/19:6,the prologue contains his testimony ; he does not want anyone else to have to wait that long. His own inadequate initiation perhaps explains why making sure converts are 'properly birthed' is one of the biggest burdens of his life.
There are another two COMPLEMENTARY works by David on this (with some measure of overlap between the three) : The Normal Christian Birth: How to Give New Believers a Proper Start in Life and Word and Spirit Together.
A well-rounded,WEIGHTY (outside the box/wineskin) understanding of the narrow Way comes from OBJECTIVE personal study of Holy Scripture ; outside of those INSPIRED words,some books (like bricks) collectively serve to build a fallible but robust defence against some of the (sincere or insincere) SUBJECTIVE misconceptions that have arisen over the last 1900 years. Everything written in that collection (indeed in any book about the narrow Way) must be tested by Holy Scripture,by God's TRUTH - not men's (well-intentioned,but) UNINSPIRED wineskins ; above all,by the words of the One Teacher - the Messiah (Matthew 23:10). One side of the INSPIRED Bible coin (so to speak) can lead to legalism or license - it takes BOTH sides of the TRUTH to properly nourish and equip a Second Covenant soldier of Messiah Jesus. This book on the PRIMARY message of John the Baptist and the need for an authentic RECEPTION of the Holy Spirit,is one of the collection.
(The Bible coin : Matthew 4:5-6/Matthew 4:7 ; John 3:17/Acts 10:42 ; John 3:16/Luke 13:3 ; Mark 8:12/Hebrews 2:4 ; John 6:37/Luke 14:26 ; Matthew 11: 30/ Luke 14:25-35 ; Acts 2:38/Acts 19:2 ; 1 Corinthians 14:18,26-33/1 Corinthians 14:19,40 ; Titus 3:5/Ephesians 2:10 ; John 1:17/Matthew 28:20 ; Matthew 7:1-5/1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ; John 10:11/John 12:24 ; John 10:10/1 Corinthians 5:14-15 ; 1 Thessalonians 1:10/Revelation 6:9-11 ; 1 John 1:6-9/Hebrews 10:26-31 ; Romans 8:11/John 15:6 ; Romans 8:30/Romans 11:11,19-22 ; 1 John 4:18/1 Peter 1:17 - and so on.)
Take note please - these are the views of an unregenerate Gentile.
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