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  • Paperback: 332 pages
  • Publisher: HarperTorch; 1 Reprint edition (13 Oct. 2009)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0060831359
  • ISBN-13: 978-0060831356
  • Product Dimensions: 13.5 x 2 x 20.3 cm
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 398,887 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Title: Guyland( The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men) <>Binding: Paperback <>Author: MichaelS.Kimmel <>Publisher: HarperTorch

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178 of 206 people found the following review helpful
Mixed Reviews Suggest Something! 7 Sept. 2008
By Robert - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Hardcover
It doesn't surprise me that some are going to rip this book to shreds. I don't read to agree with everything the author has to say. I read books like this to push myself to learn, react and discuss with others. I judge books on their ability to make me think about a topic. I also recognize that when an author tries to take on a topic like this there is NO way they are going to cover everything... the book would be 1000's of pages long if they did.

A few of my observations are listed below:

1. As a social-science researcher I, too, wish that Kimmel would have been more specific in detailing his methodology. Those criticizing his research design, lack of comments about about Human Subjects committees, etc, could make the same claim for MANY other research-based books that don't want to bore the average reader this information. It is quite common for those conducting sociological research in more unexplored areas to use qualitative designs - those that just provide observations on a particular group of people. This doesn't make them unscientific, however we should be careful not to generalize these findings to all groups of young men. Kimmel does state early on that most of his observations were about young white middle-class men. Some readers and social-science researchers might like to know a little more about what he actually did. The book in many ways is a phenomenological study that has some limitations, but also much to consider. The "mapping" he has produced is a good starting point for further research.

2. Although this book might describe the majority of white young men, there was little noted about the exceptions to the problems. There are young men out there who live differently...who aren't getting drunk every weekend, hooking up with a different sorority girl each weeknight, or playing video games until 4 in the morning. How do we explain what's going on with them? Probably beyond the scope of the book but readers shouldn't give up complete hope on young men...there are some who are making different choices than those described in the book.

3. Some may criticize the fact that the book lacked Solutions. However, I don't think this was the intent of Kimmel's book. Actually, I would have been disappointed if Kimmel's last chapter was something to the effect of - "Kimmel's 10 steps to better manhood." This is a complex sociological, psychological, economic, educational, family, and dare I suggest, spiritual problem. Solutions won't come from one man or woman, but rather groups of interested parties who are willing to put their jobs and reputations on the line to push for changes in how we interact with boys and young men.

As a 30-something guy who has experienced much of what Kimmel wrote about, I found the book a little spooky. Were his observations about today's young men or did he pull out some data from the years I was in college? At moments, I wondered if Kimmel was writing about my experiences as a fraternity member and college athlete in the early 90's. His observations are not just about today's generation... much of this has been happening for decades. However, the "conspiracy of silence" Kimmel talks has kept many men in the closet about what we experienced or in denial... defensive and pissed off when someone attempts to provide a different understanding of the experience.

Potential readers should be warned. If you think everything is great in Guyland - that American young men are in perfect shape (emotionally, spiritually and physically) with no need to change and you aren't open to reading about patterns of behavior, that are troubling in the least, then don't bother reading this book.

However, if you're like me, someone who's trying to make sense of the young men in your lives - personally or professionally - then this is a must read. More importantly, I think this is a book that people should read with their spouses, colleagues and in the classroom as a way to promote discussion on a very important topic.
89 of 102 people found the following review helpful
More compassion please 11 Nov. 2008
By J. Cordes - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Hardcover
As a 39 year old guy who quite consciously side-stepped "guyland" throughout my life I appreciated the thorough outline of what a lot of white middle-class guys go through in high school, college and beyond. I always walked by certain bars with the young binge drinkers Kimmel talks of and wondered what they hell they were up to.

What I don't appreciate is the shaming tone of the writing and the antiquated definition of a grown man. Marriage and children are not the only barometers for maturity. And as much as the bullies need to be held responsible for the violence they cause, "guys" including said bullies also need more real-life, healthy role-models and real compassion. The violence that erupts in boys most likely has very long roots. Think about it. Most boys are steered clear out of their feeling at about age 5 with the classic statement, "big boys don't cry!" and goes on from there. Factor in that boys receive less quality attention in general than their girl counterparts and the messages in popular culture and it's no surprise they're acting out.

I was also very disappointed that a little less than one-fifth of the book towards the end was dedicated to solutions. I've also got to believe that there are more stories of kids, like myself, who have led great alternative lives to "guyland" and who've never set foot on a sports team or a fraternity. I tried a number of times to enter these social groups in high school and college and simply found that their company was just not very entertaining.

My one small solution for helping guys in guyland and mankind in general is attending Men's Groups in the style of Robert Bly. I discovered my Men's Group in college in 1991 and have been attending them ever since. It's amazing what kind of support, learning, and healing can happen when few men meet twice a month to just talk about what's going on in their lives. In these groups I've met men who became the role models I'd longed for in my youth. In these groups I exorcised the many fears I had about wether I was "man" enough.

Principal among them was the desire to have more platonic affection with men, ie hugs. It took me a few years of groups to really let go of both the shame of desiring the warm embraces and fully letting in the pleasure it brought me. (For the record I am heterosexual)

As a full grown adult I hope to bring this compassionate awareness to other young men and let them know that being a man is a whole lot more than being successful with money and women and avoiding acting "gay." Hopefully someone can write that book.
16 of 19 people found the following review helpful
Badly Written and Disappointing 9 April 2010
By Jiang Xueqin - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
The sociological survey of the adolescent male adult "Guyland" actually starts strong and interesting. Sociologist Michael Kimmel promises to explore why the white middle-class male has decided to abandon the usual adult responsibilities of getting a job, marrying, and raising a family. In Kimmel's approximation, male adolescence spans roughly from age 12 (nutrition, health, and sanitation mean that the onslaught of puberty is earlier and deadlier) until the mid-thirties (when somehow the white middle-class male outgrows living at home, roaming from dead-end job to dead-end job, and harboring wild impossible fantasies, and slouches into being a responsible family man). This would have been an endlessly fascinating study, but Mr. Kimmel unfortunately fails to deliver, and instead offers a litany of the sins, disappointments, and grievances of the white middle-class male: too much sports, too much hazing, too much pornography, too much anger and violence, too much video-games. Why can't men grow up, and accept their emotional complexity as human beings and reach out to all humanity?

This is all established psycho-babble thanks to "Real Boys" and "Raising Cain" and "Reviving Ophelia" (trendsetters that all are mentioned in this work), but Mr. Kimmel takes us from the merely melodramatic to the outrageously insane: to defeat the culture of entitlement (it is true that white middle-class males are all incredibly spoiled), the culture of silence (no one likes a rat, right?), and the culture of protection (is society too tolerant of the misbehavior of males?) that help to spawn the nefarious bleak world that is Guyland, Mr. Kimmel proposes massive school, family, and government intervention. Mr. Kimmel accepts that a large part of urban youth cynicism has to deal with the flagrant irresponsibility and crass greed of America's political and financial elite, and so why would he argue that much of the answer is giving more power to authority figures to dictate how our youth think and behave? The thinking in "Guyland" is just as contorted and confused as the writing.
40 of 55 people found the following review helpful
The best "food for thought" I have tasted for a long time 25 Sept. 2008
By Larry Billman - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Hardcover
I purchased "Guyland" because of a wonderful review of it in the NY Times.
Despite its difficult and loaded content, the NY Time reviewer noted that it was a "good read."
And it is - like a can opener digging deeply into your brain and memory to elict your responses to "What is a man?" Being older, I am way out of touch with today's male world, but Kimmel unlocked several secrets of how men live today: single 35-year-olds living together and the lack of commitment in all of the Appatow comedy films and TV comedies; young boys who endlessly watch a video screen, no matter what it shows; young guy's many hours of "hanging out" and listening to the angry talk radio shows or playing video games, rather than connecting with humanity or facing the responsibility of what they should "be" when they grow up. I was not expecting so many topics - which end up all being pieces of today's "Guyland."
I cannot tell you how many conversations I have had since reading this book with my wife, my children, my male friends. There are those who have criticised the book but I am not certain what they were looking for. A definitive description of a "Man?" A dry and scholarly treatise on "How a man is different from a woman?" Those are "grey" areas already and are shifting and changing as I write this.
I had a wonderful time with the book and thank Mr. Kimmel from getting me away from my electronic addictions. And connecting with other people.
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
Author wants guys to go back to 1950s to save humanity? 20 Aug. 2014
By Banshee - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Paperback
On one hand, I understand how concerned the author is about today's young men acting like spoiled, immature, and irresponsible cavemen into adulthood - and not fulfilling their dreams, goals, or romance as a result. That is indeed a big disservice for them to themselves, of course.

But on other hand, should all men devote their entire lives to work, work, work to provide for their families as soon as they step out of college for good? Maybe they start wearing neat, well-pressed suits with neckties around the house even in middle of the summer? Then the future generations to come will live happily ever after. :P

Seriously, most kids will always find their entrance into adulthood daunting. That is normal and natural, of course. And they will always find "temporary" sanctuary in lots of pizza, beer, video games, sports, and pretty girls before they are able to take on the responsibilities and demands of adulthood. BUT! -

First, NOT all young men can be squeezed into the culture's current "ideal" mold of what a "real" man should be: a selfless, well-built "Mr. Mom" gentleman with an impressive-looking McMansion housing an IMAX-sized home theater, two gigantic SUVs with all the bells and whistles to keep kids entertained, two well-behaved dogs in the park-like backyard with a mammoth-sized swimming pool, etc. by age 30 or younger any more than a woman can "have it all" one day.

Second, men aren't "required" to get married or have kids these days, let alone have a girlfriend if they aren't interested. And of course, women aren't just baby machines waiting for "Mr. Right" to one day come along and cater to their personal needs, either.

Finally, men can have any kind of interest they like: video gaming, football, Transformers, My Little Pony, anime, even porn, anything - as long as these hobbies don't seriously interfere with a guy's personal life, work, relationships, marriage, parenthood, health, etc., of course.

That aside, boys and young men all need positive role models/messages about their approaching manhood that will not give them a "discouraging" view of the future as well as freedom to be themselves against the staggering (and even lethal) pressure to be "manly" through drinking contests, hazing rituals, and womanizing in college as well as gay-shaming, "toughing it out", and remaining silent when a woman is sexually attacked by one of the so-called "guy" friends - for the sake of "brotherhood", of course. :P
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