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  • Hardcover: 276 pages
  • Publisher: Regnery Publishing Inc; First Printing edition (May 2002)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0895261448
  • ISBN-13: 978-0895261441
  • Product Dimensions: 16.2 x 2.6 x 23.4 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (4 customer reviews)
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"Absolutely astonishing... This bombshell book reveals a seminary underworld in which homosexual promiscuity is rampant."

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30 of 35 people found the following review helpful By A T Plasom-Scott on 7 April 2003
Format: Hardcover
I heard the author give a talk in London, and bought the book immediately. His research over several years - if accurate - reveals the root causes for much that troubles the Catholic Church in the USA (and probably elsewhere) today. The Vocations Crisis, he argues, results from the willful discouragement of orthodox candidates (ie those who believe what the Church officially teaches) as being too rigid, the promotion of 'liberal' values, particularly with regard to morality, and so on. For example, candidates for the celibate priesthood are regarded as naive and psycho-sexually immature if they are sexually inexperienced - whereas promiscuous candidates are regarded as more mature...
He describes - with many quotations - how Catholic men are screened out from seminaries, either before being admitted or once they are admitted and discovered. The techniques include a frightening abuse of psychological profiling and counselling, as well as the promotion of a militant homosexual subculture, the repression of devotion, and an atmosphere of hostility and disobedience to the magisterium.
The formation of the remaining candidates seems designed to promote a specific agenda - including the undermining of orthodox faith and morality and the destruction of the celibate male priesthood. Seminarians are made to study pornographic texts, and persecuted if they say the rosary in public.
However, those seminaries that subscribe to more traditional and orthodox teaching are frequently full to capacity whereas the ones that this book focuses on are collapsing due to lack of seminarians.
Any interested Catholic - and indeed anyone wondering at the waves of scandal rocking the Church in the USA - would do well to read this chilling book.
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2 of 3 people found the following review helpful By LJK on 13 Jun. 2011
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This is a book that all Catholics who are serious about their faith should read. It shows why there is a crisis in vocations due to the despicable treatment of 'good men',that is those with traditional Catholic faith who are not encouraged or turned away in favour of the less worthy candidates, who clearly have no calling, no vocation and certainly no love of the Church. But it really does raise a more deeply disturbing question and that is why are the hierarchy of the Church, the 'Bishops', the 'Cardinals' and even the 'Pope' not intervening to arrest this terrible auto demoliton of our Church since the Vatican 2 Council? This situation is clear to them,they know about it of that there is no question at all, but what action are they taking to preserve the traditions of the church that each pope is sworn to uphold? I used to listen to Malachi Martin who made numerous excuses for John Paul II and his absolute inaction to arrest the rot, and I would think, why can't he act, why can't he stop this. I have come to the conclusion that these are not true popes since John 23rd, but wolves in sheep's clothing. No true Pope would allow the flock to be lead astray otherwise the gates of hell would have prevailed against the Church, so therefore they cannot be true Popes otherwise these atrocious seminaries would not exist.
If I sound bitter it is because I am one of the children raised in the Novus Ordo 'Catholic' Church in the aftermath of the second vatican council, suffice to say I was taught nothing about the true Catholic Faith!
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1 of 2 people found the following review helpful By columba on 27 Jan. 2013
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Well researched book with many personal testamonies from priests and seminarians who experienced the corruption first hand in nearly every post-Vatican II seminary.
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0 of 3 people found the following review helpful By Diamonds67 on 27 May 2014
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I gave this book five star as I thought I was not shockable but the author proved me wrong! The author has research in detail American catholic Seminary where homosexuality is actually encouraged and where a vetting system is used to weed out the moral and those who are Christ centred in favour of perverted priest! I was quite shocked that the Catholic Church had a vetting system where they knowingly question priests about their sex lives and if they masturbated over their grandfathers! if this book is true then it might explain why on the one hand the Church is filled with paedophiles, while on the other we have pasty face Christians why we have pasty face Christian who hate even the word sex never mind doing it!

Now I know why I left the Church... as an institution!!
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145 of 155 people found the following review helpful
So True its Scary 25 May 2005
By Bob Smith - Published on
Format: Hardcover
Having spent ten years in the seminary studying to be a Catholic priest for the Diocese of Orange in California, I picked up Rose's piece of work on a whim. The first couple of pages scared the hell out of me because he is right on target. The seminary system in and of itself is corrupted at its core... more time was spent in class discussing heretical theologicans and the need for openness towards women than the actual studies that would help us be priests! Homosexuality was in full force and more than a few guys were openly dating each other. Rose exposes these troubled times within the seminary system with a full force that should be acknowledged. Until the Bishops of America decide to overhaul the seminary system and strengthen the requirements of prayer and the Mass and eliminate the feel good spirituality classes that are taught there, the Church will continue to suffer. I personally know some of the persons written by Rose... and none of it surprises me.
39 of 42 people found the following review helpful
I should have believed my friend who warned me two years ago 27 Jun. 2002
By A Customer - Published on
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A friend of mine who entered an orthodox seminary two years ago warned me about a "homosexual problem" at St. John's Seminary in Brighton, MA (under Cardinal Law). I consider myself to be an orthodox Catholic but I wrote off his concerns as paranoia. Sadly, he seems to have understated the problem. In the book, Rose describes the case of one orthodox seminarian at St. John's who was sexually harassed by homosexual seminarians and whose allegations were ignored by the faculty to the point where he was forced to obtain a restraining order against the offending seminarian.
Many similar cases are presented throughout the book which is largely a compilation of anecdotes. This does not constitute an indictment of the book. The book is not meant to be a sociological, statistical analysis of homosexuality in the priesthood, but rather an on-the-ground description of the situation in heterodox seminaries. The reader will get a sense of the oppressive atmosphere for orthodox seminarians in seminaries controlled by heterodox and/or homosexual cliques.
In fact, one can deduce a pattern of networking and conspiracy amongst heterodox/homosexual priests and seminarians to root out orthodox candidates from the priesthood. The anecdotal evidence presented in the book is simply overwhelming, as is the fact that the vast majority of reported cases of sexual abuse by priests consists of the abuse of teenage boys, indicating that homosexuals comprise a disproportionate percentage of priests in comparison to their existence in the general population.
Certainly homosexual priests are abusing teenage boys in far greater proportion than heterosexual priests are abusing teenage girls. This fact explains why this book is not getting general play in the media and why the scandal is generally portrayed as one of "pedophilia" rather than ephebophilia. But this book will help you to understand the nature and roots of this present crisis.
(This book gets knocked down a star for its anecdotal nature, but five stars for its importance)
164 of 191 people found the following review helpful
Simply mind-boggling 24 Jun. 2002
By Florentius - Published on
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I'm a product of 16 years of Catholic education. For the past 15 years or so I've been told that we have a 'vocations crisis' within the Church -- that young men are no longer interested in becoming priests. A litany of reasons is given for this: young men are too materialistic today, celibacy is too difficult for us 'enlightened' moderns, young men don't agree with the Church's positions on moral issues, the Church hasn't done enough marketing, and (most disingenuous of all) leftover orthodoxy from the pre-Vatican II period is driving young men away.
Those 'liberals' within the Church offer up a predictable laundry list of "solutions" for this 'vocations crisis': Married priests, priestesses, "lay ministers", etc. Until very recently, these ideas almost looked reasonable. Not anymore.
This book positively blows the lid off of all the false reasons for the 'vocations crisis' and uncovers the shocking truth and hidden agendas behind what's going on in Catholic seminaries across the U.S. I used to think that a good Catholic fellow who believed and followed what the Church taught about such issues as abortion, contraception, homosexuality, the primacy of the Pope, transubstantiation, the immaculate conception, etc. would be a shoe-in for the priesthood. What this book demonstrates is that such devout young men are being routinely TURNED AWAY from the seminaries for no other reason than that they hold and believe these eminently orthodox positions! Who are being accepted in their places? I think the current and growing scandal within the Catholic Church in America provides a clear-cut answer. Now, institutionally, the Catholic Church in America is suffering an evisceration that Antonio Gramsci would be proud of.
In short, if you are a Catholic and you honestly care about what's been happening within our Church and why, you simply can not ignore this book. It will be very difficult reading for many of you, but if we are to weed out the wolves-in-sheep's-clothing among our leaders, we must begin with an honest appraisal of the situation. This book offers just such an appraisal and I wholeheartedly recommend it.
167 of 195 people found the following review helpful
Well Worth Reading Whether You Agree or Disagree 25 May 2002
By Tim Drake - Published on
Format: Hardcover
Michael Rose's Regnery hardcover version of his softcover bestseller is both disturbing as well as encouraging. While some readers may disagree with Rose's research methodology, his lack of balance, and some of the conclusions he reaches, they cannot argue with the book's overall thesis - that a great many potentially good priests have been turned away from U.S. seminaries over the past two decades.
Rose interviewed more than 125 individuals and sifted through many, many stories in order to put this book together. In the end, the book demonstrates how seminaries have used psychological testing, harassment, poor teaching, peer pressure, and other techniques to prevent good candidates from attending or remaining at some seminaries, and how similar tactics have been used to prevent "good" men from being ordained.
The book highlights individual examples from a variety of seminaries (Boston's St. John's Seminary, New Orleans' Notre Dame Seminary, Oregon's Mount Angel, Chicago's Mundelien, Belgium's Louvain and others) to prove his points. Sometimes it works; at other times it does not.
The end of the book is rather encouraging. It highlights the current situation among seminaries, especially those that are receiving many vocations. It also addresses the role of the priest from Pope John Paul II's perspective. The uplifting tone at the end makes up for the disturbing stories that make up the beginning of the book.
Rose also makes it clear that homosexual behavior has been rampant, and largely ignored, on some seminary campuses. While his purpose is not to address the clergy sexual abuse scandal currently rocking the Church, the astute reader will wonder whether such behavior has contributed to the problem the Church is currently facing. Many observers tend to think that the two are related.
Whether you agree or disagree with Rose's conclusions, the book is well worth reading. It provides a real eye-opener into the seminary problems of the past 20 years and also examines why the problems, in some cases, have not been addressed.
Hopefully, the U.S. Bishops will take Rose's information into consideration when they meet in Dallas. The author makes points that are well worth investigating.
If even a small percentage of what Rose documents is true, it's very likely that the worst, in the media's coverage of priestly sexual abuse, is still yet to come.
15 of 15 people found the following review helpful
Interesting and Instructive 21 Jun. 2011
By Josef K - Published on
Format: Hardcover
GOODBYE, GOOD MEN provides an interesting background to the sex abuse scandals that have plagued the Catholic church in the past fifteen years and a different perspective on the vocations crisis in the United States (the fall in the number of priests that the U.S. is producing). The main argument of the book is that liberal priests and nuns in the United States used their positions of power for decades to block and discourage orthodox candidates from entering the Catholic priesthood, thus creating an artificial lack of new priests graduating from US seminaries.

It is surprising to discover, as the book documents, that several conservative seminaries in the US did not experience the much publicized "vocations crisis" at all, and in virtually all of the seminaries where the "vocations crisis" has occurred (which is most of the U.S. seminaries) there was a notable pattern of exclusion directed at candidates who were orthodox in their Catholic faith. The author describes how many liberal priests and nuns after Vatican II considered it a foregone conclusion that the Catholic Church would soon put an end to the celibate priesthood, allowing non-celibate men and also women to become priests, and that these 'radical' priests and nuns attempted to block or exclude orthodox candidates who believed in the celibate priesthood and other traditional concepts of Catholic faith.

GOODBYE, GOOD MEN paints a grim and discouraging picture of a great institution nearly overcome by internal rot (an image sharply underlined by the unbelievably pervasive sex abuse scandals that have rocked the Catholic Church), but it is worth reading to the end as the last two or three chapters provide a more positive take-away and significant hope for the future of Catholicism.

An understated, but fascinating, aspect of this book are the many stories of extraordinary perseverance that it contains about orthodox priests who have overcome the attempts of liberal priests and nuns to block orthodox candidates from graduating at U.S. seminaries. This is a rather strange picture when one is accustomed to thinking of Catholic priests and nuns as inherently 'orthodox', but the story rings true and provides great insight into the state of the Catholic Church in the United States today and the nature of the Catholic Church as an institution.

(I would probably give this book four stars for overall quality, but I bump it up a notch both for the bravery of the author in tackling an extremely controversial subject and because many of the negative reviews seem to be of the axe-to-grind variety and completely unfair.)
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