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God?: A Debate Between a Christian and an Atheist (Point/Counterpoint) [Paperback]

William Lane Craig , Walter Sinnott-Armstrong
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  • Paperback: 170 pages
  • Publisher: OUP USA (18 Mar 2004)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0195166000
  • ISBN-13: 978-0195166002
  • Product Dimensions: 21.2 x 14 x 1.3 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (1 customer review)
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This concise, up-to-date, and accessible discussion of the existence of God is presented as a point/counterpoint debate: Craig argues for God's existence and Sinnott-Armstrong argues against it. Employing common language and concrete examples, the authors formulate their arguments in light of recent developments in science, religion, and philosophy. Avoiding overly esoteric arguments, they directly address the issues that concern non-specialists who are wondering about God, such as religious experience, the Bible, evil, eternity, the origin of the universe, design, and the supposed connection between morality and the existence of God. By assuming a traditional concept of God in their discussion, the authors ensure that they are truly addressing each other's viewpoints and engaging in a disagreement over a unified issue. The book is composed of six chapters that alternate between Craig and Sinnott-Armstrong, so that each separate point can be discussed as it arises. This lively and direct dialogue will stimulate students regardless of whether or not they believe in God.

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5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
No Meeting of Minds 6 Jan 2009
By Neutral VINE™ VOICE
Format:Paperback
The question of whether God exists has been debated probably since the emergence of mankind. Unfortunately many such debates "degenerate into simplistic rhetoric or mutual misunderstanding...(or) become so technical that only experts can follow them". The authors' aim is the worthy one of presenting arguments for and against the existence of God in light of scientific and philosophical developments but in a spirit of intellectual freedom too often denied by atheistic and religious fundamentalists.

To achieve this objective both participants agreed the debate would be restricted to an examination of the idea that God, as defined within the Judaeo- Christian tradition, exists. They engaged in public debate then refined their arguments in literary form, with concrete examples and common language, leaving the reader to form their own opinion.

Craig argues that the existence of God makes sense of the universe, its origins, its fine tuning for intelligent life, the existence of objective (rather than relative) moral values in the world, the Christian message of the Life, Death and Resurrection of Jesus, all of which can be known and experienced. In later essays he raises questions about the cosmology of the university maintaining the traditional first cause argument and claiming that it has a teleological purpose which is evidence of design.

Sinnott-Armstrong claims that many of Craig's arguments are logically unsound, they attacked too many differing views and quoted too many sources rather than depend on original ideas. He claims morality exists whether God exists or not, denied the validity of miracles (especially the resurrection) and attacked the premises on which Craig based his case.

In a chapter entitled, "Some reasons to believe there is no God" he raises the perennial problem of evil (how can evil exist if God is good?), expounding his case on a point by point basis and reaching an agnostic conclusion which permits a diversity of religious practice in the world at large.

The title of the book is misleading. Craig rightly concludes that Sinnott-Armstrong opines that God does not exist but reaches an agnostic rather than an atheistic conclusion. Underlying Sinnott-Armstrong's position is the materialistic notion that we can only prove what we know and until we prove it we cannot know it. Yet scientists and philosophers have often taken a leap of faith in the pursuit of knowledge.

Both Craig and Sinnott-Armstrong fail to meet each other part way because their arguments are based on incompatible premises which neither seems willing to acknowledge. Neither of the participants manage to get beyond the immediacy of their own arguments to understand the mind of the other. They argue about God rather than understand what arguments about God really mean. Ultimately we are left with the same differing opinions with which each of the participants started.

Neither of them understands the politics of religious belief and while they express themselves in a reasonably simple and understandable manner - which serves as a good introduction to both sides of the debate - they do not, to my mind, progress that debate in the neutral manner they seem to have wished for or intended.

The book is easy to read but has a disappointing, if predictable, outcome. As I was taught as a child, "Never argue about religion or politics, you're not going to change anyone's mind". This one didn't. It's received four stars because of its ease of reading rather than any satisfaction with its contents.
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100 of 107 people found the following review helpful
A Fast-Paced and Incisive Debate. 4 Nov 2003
By Kyle Demming - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Hardcover
In this new book, cleverly titled simply "God?", William Lane Craig and Walter Sinnott-Armstrong debate the most important question with surprising clarity and wit.

William Lane Craig is an experienced debator with excellent credentials. Over the years he has debated many famous atheists, and is well known for beating almost every opponent hands down. Craig's style is quick and confident, and, in my opinion, his arguments are generally very forceful and convincing. His great effort in this book, while expected, is very much appreciated. He is not afraid to get right down to the issue and into the trenches- which helps the debate to move along at lightning pace.

The real surprise here, in my mind, is the showing by Sinnott-Armstrong. Despite a lack of debating experience, he seems to me to be the best opponent Craig has faced (in any debate I have read). He is quick, witty, and intelligent- advancing objections to almost all of Craig's arguments (in other debates, atheists often just pick a few points of contention, but Sinnott-Armstrong challenges the whole case.)

Both participants in the debate give strong efforts, and it leads to a fantastic and engaging book on the existence of God. If you are looking for a debate on the existence of God, then look no further. This book is highly recommended.

76 of 84 people found the following review helpful
Great primer of both sides of the issue 23 May 2004
By Stephen J Bach - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Hardcover
Like others reviewers have said, the main purpose of this book isn't to definitively "settle" the issue either way (as if that's possible), but merely to highlight some of the more pertinent issues surrounding the claims of Christianity as well as its various criticisms. The end result, as one reviewer already pointed out, reveals that, far from being solely the realm of crackpots and the "weak-minded", Christianity is as a viable intellectual option (which is not to say, of course, without reproach.)

As for the substance of the debate itself, both writers were highly competent and I found each writer at his best in presenting the case for his respective viewpoint (Chapter 1, 4)

Craig makes a strong case for a finite universe, using widely accepted scientific evidence. He also explains many of the flaws inherent in the various infinite views (oscillating universe, many-worlds hypothesis, etc.), which he, I think rightly, dismisses as ad hoc avoidances of the serious implications which a finite universe seems to imply.

By way of example, Craig shows how the oscillating theory of the universe (i.e. a never-ending series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches) is really dead on arrival because scientists can't get over the theoretic hump of how exactly the universe would "restart" after collapsing in on itself, which seems to be an irreversible process. (I should also probably point out that even the very concept of "collapse" itself is controversial; everyone knows the universe is expanding, but nobody knows whether or not it will continue to do so in the future.)

Of course, the cosmological argument only gets you so far as deism, so Craig continues his presentation with arguments from morality, the resurrection of Jesus, and personal experience, each bringing one closer to the traditional description of the Christian God (i.e. omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent, caring, etc.) All of these points are also laid out well, although I wouldn't put as much emphasis on personal experience, myself, since it seems to be so subjective (although Craig apparently recognizes this.)

Sinnott-Armstrong's case for atheism is no less forceful. Indeed, I, like many other reviewers, was taken aback by his directness. For being a first-time debater, he was very incisive in his criticisms. Sinnott-Armstrong's main line of argument revolved around the ever-popular "problem of evil" (i.e. how could a loving God allow so much suffering?) His thesis is that evil is not justified unless it is absolutely necessary for some compensating good. He then proceeds to field many possible rebuttals (some of which I think are straw men; he concedes as much when he says that a few might be "outdated", but still includes them.) He concludes the argument by stating that none of these arguments fulfills this condition, especially in regards to natural evils (disease, earthquakes, etc.)

He also makes arguments from unbelief, and a rather obscure argument surrounding the (im)possible interaction between a timeless God and a temporal world, which he dubs "the problem of action," but these are fairly unimportant in relation to the problem of evil and only comprise the last few pages of his presentation.

I won't mention the rebuttals too much, suffice to say that both sides are more adept at laying their own foundations of belief and defending them than in attacking their opponent's. Sinnott-Armstrong, for example, while putting up a fairly good fight against the cosmological argument and personal experience, makes a poor showing in respect to the argument from morality and the resurrection of Jesus. He believes in objective moral values, but when pressed as to why these should be so, only offers "It simply is. Objectively. Don't you agree?" With respect to Jesus, he is content to throw out the "Christ-myth" theory tying the Easter story to those of ancient fertility gods in other cultures, such as Mithras. This theory was popular in the 20's, but died a quick death because the connections were superficial at best, in addition to the fact that nobody could postulate a plausible link between the pagan cultures and the Judaism from which Christianity arose.

Craig's rebuttal of the problem of evil, on the other hand, seems to me to suffer from too much emphasis on the nature of faith. He argues that if all the other arguments which he presented for the existence of God are true (as he obviously believes they are), then we can rest in good faith, knowing that our apparently unnecessary sufferings in life serve an ultimate purpose. This is all true as far it goes, I suppose, but it doesn't hold much water in a debate. He is arguing against the unconvinced, and only those already convinced will accept that argument (as Sinnott-Armstrong is quick to point out).

Wow--this review is a lot longer than I originally anticipated it to be. I guess I should probably wrap it up here. So what's my final verdict? Who won? Well, it's close, but I think I'm going to have to give Craig the nod in this case. Sinnott-Armstrong's argument from evil is very convincing as far as it goes, but it's resting on a shaky foundation. He didn't do a good enough job in my mind of justifying his belief in objective values without God. He explicitly rejects utilitarianism (citing its many objectionable conclusions) but this in mind seems the only viable moral theory for a coherent atheist to hold. He also cites the various non-religious moral theories that philosophers have devised as examples of atheistic virtue, but without offering further reasons for why I should support them, I have to conclude that they all fall short. Craig didn't really push this point too much, instead taking Sinnott-Armstrong's argument pretty much at face value, which I think was a mistake, but maybe it would've taken him too far afield, or he thought that he had shown the error in the previous section.

Overall, though, a very good book and a solid introduction to a very relevant issue.

26 of 27 people found the following review helpful
Excellent Debate 24 April 2004
By A Customer - Published on Amazon.com
Format:Paperback
God? Is based on two public debates that occurred in 1999 and 2000 between William Craig and William Sinnott-Armstrong regarding the existence of God. In my opinion this is an excellent resource for thoughtful atheists and theists alike. Of the debates I have read on this subject God? is the best.

In the first part of the book Craig opens in defense of God (Christian God), Sinnott-Armstrong rebuts then Craig closes. The second part is structured the other way round with Sinnott-Armstrong opening in defense of atheism; Craig rebuts then Sinnott-Armstrong closes. Throughout the discussion the debaters cover all the pertinent arguments (cosmological, design, existence of evil, revelation etc) and are rigorous and respectful in defending their views.

Those familiar to the area of religious philosophy and apologetics undoubtedly know the work of Bill Craig a brilliant and prolific philosopher. In addition to his formidable intellectual abilities Craig is also an outstanding and experienced debater. As a result, in live debates he often overwhelms even the most capable opponent. This format which allowed the participants more time to formulate their arguments was beneficial. Sinnott-Armstrong is not an experienced debater and this approach helped him to clearly articulate his arguments. As a result, Sinnott-Armstrong puts forward one of the strongest argument for atheism that I have heard.

After reading this debate, I would hope that several things would be apparent to a thoughtful and opened-minded person. First, and most importantly, this is an important question that warrants our consideration. Second, a rational proof of God's existence beyond a reasonable doubt is probably not possible (if it was where would free will be?). Finally, the existence of God is a live intellectual option. From my personal standpoint, as someone who was raised an educated with an atheist/agnostic worldview the last point is the most striking. With respect to who won the debate, It has been my experience that initial assessments are normally emotive and determined by the viewer's assumptions.

There are lots of other debate books out there (and a lot free material on Bill Craig's web-site and the Internet Infidels site), however God? is well worth the purchases.

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