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Roger Penrose
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  • Hardcover
  • Publisher: Oxford Univ Press (1 Jan 1989)
  • ISBN-10: 018144755X
  • ISBN-13: 978-0181447559
  • Product Dimensions: 22.9 x 15.2 x 2.5 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews)
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At First glance, the topics covered by Roger Penrose may seem unconnected, but incredibly, he manages to connect them seamlessly, and then reaches astounding conclusions about the implications for any theory of everything or any artificial intelligence. On the way, Penrose covers such diverse topics as Turing machines, Tensors and General Relativity, the wave equation and the inner workings of the brain. Thankfully, he explains all of these concepts with such clarity that prior knowledge of them and a degree in mathematics are unnecessary, to gain a full understanding of the book, and the occasional differential equations are not relevant to the theme of the book, and indeed should not discourage any potential reader. Of course, even if you do have good knowledge of the concepts introduced, the book is still a fantastic read, just to see how Penrose links the concepts introduced and reaches conclusions on them.
The book is also rather different to typical books about contemporary physics, which hail Superstring theories as the theory of everything. Penrose does not speak in depth about the newest forms of physics, but instead follows his conclusions from proven physics, and although he makes few specific predictions about the Theory of Everything, he does give a complete overview of the main features that he feels a Theory of Everything should contain. The fact that the conclusions are followed through from the physics explained in the book makes the conclusions much more justifiable than those of Superstring theories, even if you disagree with Penrose's final conclusion. Although the book does not contain cutting edge physics, such as Superstring theory, this does not detract from the overall theme of the book, and indeed the speculations made by Penrose about the Theory of Everything are just as interesting as those in many books about Superstring theory.
Overall, the Emperor's New Mind is a challenging read, but delivers a complete tour of 20th Century mathematics and physics, as well as a taster of neurology, that leaves the reader feeling both enlightened and eager to learn more. Outstanding!
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Penrose asks in Chapter I: can a computer have a mind? Having mind, he speculates, is to think or 'perhaps even to experience feelings' as a human would. He compares the mental workings of a human with the computability of machines and ultimately concludes that the breadth and power of the mind could not be replicated by a machine.

Or something along these lines. I believe that his conceptual analysis of the issues is naïve and confused and that it is so because of a fatal attempt to present his work using mainly scientific terms (lots of which are redundant and irrelevant).

How intelligent is Artificial Intelligence, therefore, and, if it is intelligent, why should we qualify that intelligence as artificial?

The central eight chapters of the book are a grand tour of some of the accepted notions of mathematical logic, complex numbers and fractals, computability, classical physics, quantum mechanics and relativity, and, finally, the physiology of the brain. We are finally returned to the main question at the end of the book supposedly informed and invigorated (or enervated!) by this immersion into a cold bath of scientific dogma having, it is implied, thereby acquired the wherewithal to solve - with the author - the problems which have been posed at the book's beginning.

I suspect that the central (and, I believe, pseudo-) question which tantalises Penrose and which has tantalised so many scientifically-minded thinkers is this: given that humans can build machines of progressive and, indeed, seemingly unlimited complexity, able to perform more and more functions hitherto only performed by humans - as, for example, the ability to play chess, how is it that at no stage of this endeavour to equal nature's complexity can we expect that the machine will become self-aware?

I believe that this is possibly a psychological not a logically robust question because, firstly, there are no limits in principle to technological advance, even to that ultimate stage when humans - armed with all of nature's secrets, including knowledge of quantum mechanics, and with unlimited power - could replicate human or human-like entities. Nature does it; it is therefore possible; why should not we be able to do the same?

Secondly, we would have the same difficulties in deciding if a machine is self-aware as we have in deciding whether animals - or, indeed, other humans are aware. This is the old notion of solipsism made fashionable for use with computers.

Minds are modes of existing, not incidental human possessions that can be placed under the microscope.

The approach of many scientists, writing books like The Emperor's New Mind which explain or popularise science or, especially, attempt to apply philosophical concepts, is to use words that are used in scientific culture (which is what all science is), such as atom, *field, *time, differential equation, and so on, as primary. That is, to take them out of a cultural context and use them as if there were no context and, indeed, as if the cultural context could be deduced from them alone and as if they may not be mixed with words from other traditions. (Interestingly, is not this what religions do?) This is why the tour of the scientific disciplines in ENM is undertaken - to burn off the semantic and procedural underpinnings of these terms and to use them in isolation to attempt to 'solve' what I believe is a collection of pseudo-problems using what are now abstract and mis-applied ideas. (These notions do - I should stress - have their place and truth in technology and operational and mathematical science.)
It is interesting that by so-doing quantum scientists are now wrestling with the difficulty - and necessity - of re-introducing the observer!

For the reasons given above I have great difficulties reading books like ENM on their own terms. One has to disregard large amounts of the surface discussion to substitute a personal interpretation of what is, in fact, happening. I finish with a quote from p.293: 'Is the presence of a conscious being necessary for a 'measurement' actually to take place? I think that only a small minority of quantum physicists would affirm such a view'

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A highly original book by a mathematical visionary. 31 July 1998
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Describe Yams to the English - "they're like potatoes", only they're not. You realise that when you first taste them, feel cheated by the description others have offered you, then find yourself using it yourself, for want of a better. So it is with books on modern physics, or modern mathematics. These are subjects in which the inmates are in charge of the asylums. It doesn't have to be so, but looks like being so for the forseeable future, for organisational and economic reasons. Who can exorcise, in six hundred pages, the terror of fifteen years of incompetent teaching, half-baked syllabuses, and horrifying examinations? Most attempts merely repeat that trauma. This book is quite the best account of modern physics and mathematics that I have ever come across. It's written by a visionary who has the deep respect of both physicists and mathematicians, and, to me at least, seems to represent a popularisation of the merging of pure mathematics with the mathematic! s of physics, which has been going on since the time of Dirac and Eddington. Penrose makes you believe that it's reasonable to cross the corridors of academe from Quantum Mechanics to Algebraic Topology, and back via Logic and Machine theory without being conscious of barriers; and, that it's reasonable that the people who pay for these games with their taxes might be initiated into them. A beautiful, brilliant book, by a master mathematician at the height of his powers. How do we relate to a subject? In my view, through inspirational journalism. We all "know" that mathematics is a game for young men; because elderly, elegant, Hardy told us so, despite being an obvious counterexample. Just about every distinguished mathematician is rushing into print with their own impenetrable view of the world. In a situation in which the unreadable "Brief History of Time" is an international best seller, you'd suspect that no-one could come up with an account of mat! hematics which is accurate but which also captures the shee! r joy of being involved in it. If anyone has managed that, it is Penrose, with this incredible book.
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