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A 3-disc set made up from previously unreleased Heartbreakers material. All in first-rate quality - a veritable feast for Thunders & Heartbreakers fans! , Disc 1 - Studio demos 1975-78, including newly found 1976 sessions. Disc 2 the legendary London Speakeasy tapes from 1977. Disc 3. 50 mins DVD: live '84 at the Lyceum , acoustic in the studio, at The Marquee. Plus 'extras'. The package comes with 24 pages of booklets including an interview with Walter Lure by Nina Antonia. TRACKS: ,DISC 1 - 'Raw & Rare' Newly discovered unreleased studio recordings. ,Staten Island demos 1976: Born To Lose,Can't Keep My Eyes On You,Do You Love Me,It's Not Enough,Take A Chance,I Love You,Get Off The Phone (instr.),I Wanna Be Loved (instr.),Demo 1975: Flight; Walter Lure & The Ramones: Street Fighting Man; Heroes: Too Much Junkie Business,Seven Day Weekend; Riverside demos 1977: London Boys,Too Much Junkie Business., DISC 2 - 'Complete Speakeasy 1977' Two live sets remixed in 2005. ,Set 1: Chinese Rocks,Get Off The Phone,All By Myself,Let Go,Can't Keep My Eyes On You,I Love You,Born To Lose,I Wanna Be Loved; Set 2: Do You Love Me?,Chinese Rocks,Get Off The Phone,All By Myself,Going Steady,I Love You,I Wanna Be Loved., DISC 3 - DVD: 'Arrested Alive' 50 mins of unseen footage filmed in 1984. ,Lyceum: All By Myself,Let Go,I Wanna Be Loved,Copy Cat,Can't Keep My Eyes On You; Greenhouse Studio: Hurt Me,Sad Vacation,Diary Of A Lover,Like A Rolling Stone; Marquee: Can't Keep My Eyes On You,Sad Vacation,Who Do Voodoo,I Love You,Little Bit Of Wh*re,Pipeline; Lyceum Soundcheck: Alone In A Crowd riff,Don't You Mess With Cupid,One Track Mind; In Trouble In Sweden: In Cold Blood/Who Needs Girls?; French Film clip; Memorabilia clip: Get Off The Phone. NTSC DVD - viewable in All Areas; Factory Shrinkwrapped.,
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5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
Format:Audio CD
.......I know that Johnny Thunders stage performances were shambolic beyond belief and punctuated with foul language mainly directed at the paying public, the abysmal quality of his recordings because his reluctance to go into the studio and in many cases issued amateurishly recorded 'live' work, and his almost perpetual state of being 'off-his-head' due to his heroin addiction. However, there is an underlying uniqueness to his work which shines through all of these negatives and puts Johnny high amongst the notable punk rock performers of all time.
Riding through the 'mushiness' of the low quality recordings, comes a nasally slightly monotoned voice that 'punches out' the lyrics in the very best punk rock tradition and his guitar playing provides a resonantly powerful directness that few other other artistes can reproduce. This style comes fiercely through "Can't Keep My Eyes Off You", "Too Much Junkie Business", "Chinese Rocks", "Take A Chance", the instrumental "Get Off The Phone", and one of my all time favourites of any artiste, "Born To Lose". Much of this album was recorded live at The Speakeasy Club in London, a late night haunt of the music industry, managed by Laurie O'Leary, a close associate of the Kray Twins.
Berating the audience was almost an integral part of Johnny's act with such comments as:-
"Hey, if you don't like it go take a pee or somethin"
"Born To Lose? Born To Lose? You wanna hear born to lose, go out to the bathroom and bang your head against the wall for a while, it'll all sound like born to lose."
Audience member "I'm ready to testify."
Johnny: "Yeah, I'll testify, I'll put it up your f...... a..."
His work and life was affected by his use of drugs but he once opined "I'm gonna try to be cured. I've been on heroin 8 years and I want to try a different style of life. It made me split up from my wife. It ruined a lot of things for me." He did try and for a long time relied on methadone obtained either from prescriptions or otherwise. After his death in 1991, the authorities assumed his long-term drug usage was the main cause but an autopsy revealed evidence of advanced leukemia.
Whatever his problems, Johnny Thunders made a major contribution to the rock music scene and is sorely missed. This album "Down To Kill" despite its recording quality flaws is confirmation of his dynamic, if not a little edgy and at times a tad inconsistent, performing persona.
Riding through the 'mushiness' of the low quality recordings, comes a nasally slightly monotoned voice that 'punches out' the lyrics in the very best punk rock tradition and his guitar playing provides a resonantly powerful directness that few other other artistes can reproduce. This style comes fiercely through "Can't Keep My Eyes Off You", "Too Much Junkie Business", "Chinese Rocks", "Take A Chance", the instrumental "Get Off The Phone", and one of my all time favourites of any artiste, "Born To Lose". Much of this album was recorded live at The Speakeasy Club in London, a late night haunt of the music industry, managed by Laurie O'Leary, a close associate of the Kray Twins.
Berating the audience was almost an integral part of Johnny's act with such comments as:-
"Hey, if you don't like it go take a pee or somethin"
"Born To Lose? Born To Lose? You wanna hear born to lose, go out to the bathroom and bang your head against the wall for a while, it'll all sound like born to lose."
Audience member "I'm ready to testify."
Johnny: "Yeah, I'll testify, I'll put it up your f...... a..."
His work and life was affected by his use of drugs but he once opined "I'm gonna try to be cured. I've been on heroin 8 years and I want to try a different style of life. It made me split up from my wife. It ruined a lot of things for me." He did try and for a long time relied on methadone obtained either from prescriptions or otherwise. After his death in 1991, the authorities assumed his long-term drug usage was the main cause but an autopsy revealed evidence of advanced leukemia.
Whatever his problems, Johnny Thunders made a major contribution to the rock music scene and is sorely missed. This album "Down To Kill" despite its recording quality flaws is confirmation of his dynamic, if not a little edgy and at times a tad inconsistent, performing persona.
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8 of 8 people found the following review helpful
all good
3 Dec 2005
Format:Audio CD
The studio disk is great, quite different versions of the songs you've heard 5,000,000 times, the live set from '77 can't be beat and the DVD rocks with a couple of very funny scenes and a wicked "Pipeline". Get it if you love rock and roll. Oh, as usual the world's most under-appreciated drummer, Jerry Nolan kicks it. There will never be another band like the Heartbreakers.
6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
FANTASTIC
25 Feb 2006
Format:Audio CD
WOW.What can I say?It took too long.But finally some great Johhny that is not a bootleg or re-release with a different cover.For those of you cautious about buying new Johnny product,let me tell ya'.This IS so worth it.Good clean video footage.No lame overdubs.Much of it has never been seen.The Lyceum soundcheck and outtakes,Johnny's fantastic acoustic set as well as Both "D.T.K Live at the speak easy"sets.Did you know Johhny did two shows.I didn't.Both are here in perfect quality.No need to buy the version on the"Can't put your arms around a memory"box set when this is availible.If that's not enough,the rarities CD included is a total bonus.You CANNOT beat this for the quality and price.Whithout a doubt this IS essential Johnny.Do yourself a favour and purchase this exellent package.Rest in peace JT.You are NEVER forgotten and ALWAYS loved,...MARK at www.markfloresmusic.com
6 of 7 people found the following review helpful
A Review of Down to Kill
3 Feb 2006
Format:Audio CD
In summary, this is an excellent value, but I was disappointed with the DVD.
Disc 1: Demos recorded in 1976 and 1977 in the States, with some Walter Lure solo thrown in as well. The Heartbreakers demos are basically recorded live in the studio. The most interesting of the batch are Born To Lose, It's Not Enough and Take A Chance. Born To Lose features some different lyrics. It's Not Enough is all electric, and features the vocals up front so it's really easy to understand the lyrics. Take A Chance is a previously unheard Lure/Nolan composition featuring Jerry Nolan on vocals. It wouldn't have sounded out of place on LAMF. It's an entertaining listen, but there's better versions of these songs on other discs.
Disc 2 is the best of the lot: The complete Live at the Speakeasy! Recorded 3/15/1977. The Heartbreakers are on fire this night, and these live recordings sounds a heck of a lot better than the original release of LAMF. This is essential listening in my opinion.
Disc 3: The DVD was all recorded in 1984, except for some of the extras. This is by far the biggest disappointment. The first part is outtakes from Dead Or Alive. On two of the songs the sound is bootleg quality. On the other two the sound is much better, but it's because it comes from the previous night. The singing and playing is clearly out of synch.
Next up is Johnny acoustic in the studio. I'm not particularily a big fan of Johnny's acoustic side, but I like to hear Sad Vacation anytime. Other than that I don't find it interesting. But if you like Johnny's acoustic music you'll like this set. Finally we get some songs recorded live at the Marquee. The Heartbreakers are a trio now, without Walter Lure. Johnny responds by playing some of his best guitar ever. IMO, they should just have shown this whole set and done away with everything else. Instead we get 6 songs, and the first 2 are edited. Here's to hoping that the whole show was filmed and a DVD will someday be released. The extras aren't worth more than one view, except for the french film clip which is worth no view. It's excruciating.
All in all, This is a good mix of material and deserves 4 stars. I'm bummed by the DVD portion, but considering the low cost of the package, and the lack of J.T. live recordings, I think 4 stars is appropriate.
Disc 1: Demos recorded in 1976 and 1977 in the States, with some Walter Lure solo thrown in as well. The Heartbreakers demos are basically recorded live in the studio. The most interesting of the batch are Born To Lose, It's Not Enough and Take A Chance. Born To Lose features some different lyrics. It's Not Enough is all electric, and features the vocals up front so it's really easy to understand the lyrics. Take A Chance is a previously unheard Lure/Nolan composition featuring Jerry Nolan on vocals. It wouldn't have sounded out of place on LAMF. It's an entertaining listen, but there's better versions of these songs on other discs.
Disc 2 is the best of the lot: The complete Live at the Speakeasy! Recorded 3/15/1977. The Heartbreakers are on fire this night, and these live recordings sounds a heck of a lot better than the original release of LAMF. This is essential listening in my opinion.
Disc 3: The DVD was all recorded in 1984, except for some of the extras. This is by far the biggest disappointment. The first part is outtakes from Dead Or Alive. On two of the songs the sound is bootleg quality. On the other two the sound is much better, but it's because it comes from the previous night. The singing and playing is clearly out of synch.
Next up is Johnny acoustic in the studio. I'm not particularily a big fan of Johnny's acoustic side, but I like to hear Sad Vacation anytime. Other than that I don't find it interesting. But if you like Johnny's acoustic music you'll like this set. Finally we get some songs recorded live at the Marquee. The Heartbreakers are a trio now, without Walter Lure. Johnny responds by playing some of his best guitar ever. IMO, they should just have shown this whole set and done away with everything else. Instead we get 6 songs, and the first 2 are edited. Here's to hoping that the whole show was filmed and a DVD will someday be released. The extras aren't worth more than one view, except for the french film clip which is worth no view. It's excruciating.
All in all, This is a good mix of material and deserves 4 stars. I'm bummed by the DVD portion, but considering the low cost of the package, and the lack of J.T. live recordings, I think 4 stars is appropriate.
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