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Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, Ptolemaic and Copernican [Paperback]

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1 July 1992 0520004507 978-0520004504 2nd Revised edition
This 1967 edition of the "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" is a revision of a 1953 edition. It includes a foreword by Albert Einstein, which is presented in en face German and English versions. The translation itself is based on the definitive National Edition prepared under the direction of Antonio Favaro and published at Florence in 1897. The material specifically added to the text by Galileo himself after publication of the first edition (1632) has been included as well. In addition, the margins of the book include translations of Galileo's own postils (running notes), placed as nearly as possible beside their textual references.

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  • Paperback: 495 pages
  • Publisher: University of California Press; 2nd Revised edition edition (1 July 1992)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0520004507
  • ISBN-13: 978-0520004504
  • Product Dimensions: 14 x 3.8 x 20.3 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews)
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5.0 out of 5 stars A brilliant translation of a wonderful work 9 Jan 2010
By Sid Nuncius HALL OF FAME TOP 10 REVIEWER
It's not the most alluring of titles, I admit, and even though most people have heard of Galileo and many know enough of his achievements to admire him, I suspect few people would consider reading a book by him. However, I urge you very strongly to buy this book and at least give it a try. It's a wonderful work, full of fascinating and brilliant insights and Stillman Drake's superlative translation makes it extremely readable. It gives a fascinating insight into what Galileo *really* did to annoy the Inquisition and shows his often brilliantly witty and occasionally dangerously sarcastic style. Even to dip into, this book is a monumental pleasure.

Try this, the first few lines of the Introduction - To The Discerning Reader:
"Several years ago there was published in Rome a salutary edict which, in order to obviate the dangerous tendencies of our present age, imposed a seasonable silence upon the Pythagorean opinion that the Earth moves. There were those who impudently asserted that this decree had its origin not in judicious inquiry, but in passion none too well informed. Complaints were to be heard that advisers who were totally unskilled in astronomical observations ought not to clip the wings of reflective intellects by means of rash prohibitions. Upon hearing such carping insolence, my zeal could not be contained..."

I first read that while studying History of Science over thirty years ago, laughed out loud, and read the rest of the book with immense pleasure. It is written in the form of dialogues presided over by Sagredo ("wise man") and conducted between Salviati (really Galileo himself) and the person representing the Church's orthodoxy, whom Galileo christened Simplicio. Tactful, he wasn't, but he was a brilliant physicist and a brilliant author, filling the book with witty and amazingly ingenious arguments resulting in poor Simplicio being confounded at every turn.

I cannot say strongly enough what a pleasure this book is. It really isn't just a tome which will sit on your shelf looking impressive, or which you ought to plough through because it will Do You Good. It's wonderfully enjoyable and hugely rewarding, and I recommend it very highly indeed.
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5.0 out of 5 stars A deep insight into the past 27 Nov 2011
By RR Waller TOP 500 REVIEWER
"The Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" ("Dialogo sopra i due massimi sistemi del mondo"), a 1632 book by Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), comparing the Copernican with the traditional Ptolemaic system, was translated from Italian to Latin as "Systema cosmicum" in 1635 by Bernegger. It was dedicated to Galileo's patron, Ferdinando II de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

According to Stephen Hawking, "Galileo, perhaps more than any other single person, was responsible for the birth of modern science". Praise does not come more fulsome than this or from more elevated people.

Under great pressure and extreme censure concerning his writing, it was published after lengthy discussions with the Inquisition which was trying to quash his views of the movement of the celestial bodies. It is a discussion between Sagredo, the wise man, Salviati (Galileo himself) and Simplicio, the religious traditionalist who has humorous rings run around him throughout the dialogues (obviously contingent on one's point of view).

Salviati is Galileo himself, Sagredo is named after Francesco Sagredo (1571-1620) a close friend and Venetian mathematician and Simplicio, the dedicated follower of old fashions, Ptolemy and Aristotle, promulgates the traditional church view.

This book shows not only that Galileo was genius and a brilliant scientist (although the word "scientist" did not exist), he was also good writer able to convey his astronomical ideas very effectively (and a wide range of other scientific issues), even if he was not always diplomatic, prudent or politically astute.

Galileo could not have been more obvious in his writings, little secret was made of the various interlocutors and he wrote much of it with great humour. This will surprise many readers but provide them with a very different view of one of the greatest scientist of all time - in his own words. It may not be easy in places, but it is worth the struggle.
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4.0 out of 5 stars A Piece of Scientific History 14 Dec 2002
By John - Published on Amazon.com
Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems has long had its place in the history books. The work consists of a dialogue between three characters, Salviati, Sagredo, and Simplicio. They gather together over the course of four days to discuss the Ptolemaic and Copernican views of the universe. Ptolemy's system is that of an earth centered universe that aligns with the views of Aristotle, the more popular conception. Copernicus's system is heliocentric. This is a radical opinion of the time and incidentally is the correct one. Salviati supports the Copernican system and Simplicio adheres to the Ptolemaic view. These two refute the ideas of the other and argue for their own. Sagredo is somewhat caught in the middle. However, he ultimately aligns with Salviati on every point. The translator, Stillman Drake, in his introduction, goes over the climate and political forces of Galileo's day along with Galileo's reason's for writing this book. As Drake points out, Galileo is appealing to the public here. It seems that this is Galileo getting in the last word on the argument for a heliocentric universe. This book is also what largely does him in with the Vatican. Galileo dose not directly argue against the church in this book but only against the Aristotelian opinion while showing reverence for divine power.

The best was to describe this book is verbose. It fills 465 pages with small print. Because it is written in conversational tone, perhaps Galileo felt that the extra wording was necessary. It does take some time to read. Drake does an excellent job of making important notes throughout the work. Some of these are geared more for an academic study, but others give needed explanation. Just like we do not have all the answers today, Galileo makes some scientific mistakes. These are few and Drake gives explanations for them. This book is worth the read for its place in history. A brief background in astronomy and even Aristotelian philosophy will benefit the reader. I would also recommend Discoveries and Opinions of Galileo, also translated and compiled by Drake.

6 of 7 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars a lovely book 11 April 2003
By Glenn Becker - Published on Amazon.com
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To read this book is to see the Western Mind open to light and fresh air after centuries of stale darkness. This is not to snub the monumental work of Aristotle or Ptolemy but to rue the fact that their writings were clung to as doctrine for so long.

Even in translation, Galileo is a lively, robust, even funny writer. His fiery spirit is especially welcome in these troubled opening years of the 21st century: I kept marking pages for later reference. Some parts of this great book will require work on the reader's part, but the work is so eminently worth it. This edition has copious, interesting notes, too, which make the adventure an even more colorful and full one.

This is no "great grey classic" to be endured, but a living bronco of a book: relevant, ferocious, and of great historical and scientific interest.

1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars A brilliant translation of a wonderful work 9 Jan 2010
By Sid Nuncius - Published on Amazon.com
It's not the most alluring of titles, I admit, and even though most people have heard of Galileo and many know enough of his achievements to admire him, I suspect few people would consider reading a book by him. However, I urge you very strongly to buy this book and at least give it a try. It's a wonderful work, full of fascinating and brilliant insights and Stillman Drake's superlative translation makes it extremely readable. It gives a fascinating insight into what Galileo *really* did to annoy the Inquisition and shows his often brilliantly witty and occasionally dangerously sarcastic style. Even to dip into, this book is a monumental pleasure.

Try this, the first few lines of the Introduction - To The Discerning Reader:
"Several years ago there was published in Rome a salutary edict which, in order to obviate the dangerous tendencies of our present age, imposed a seasonable silence upon the Pythagorean opinion that the Earth moves. There were those who impudently asserted that this decree had its origin not in judicious inquiry, but in passion none too well informed. Complaints were to be heard that advisers who were totally unskilled in astronomical observations ought not to clip the wings of reflective intellects by means of rash prohibitions. Upon hearing such carping insolence, my zeal could not be contained..."

I first read that while studying History of Science over thirty years ago, laughed out loud, and read the rest of the book with immense pleasure. It is written in the form of dialogues presided over by Sagredo ("wise man") and conducted between Salviati (really Galileo himself) and the person representing the Church's orthodoxy, whom Galileo christened Simplicio. Tactful, he wasn't, but he was a brilliant physicist and a brilliant author, filling the book with witty and amazingly ingenious arguments resulting in poor Simplicio being confounded at every turn.

I cannot say strongly enough what a pleasure this book is. It really isn't just a tome which will sit on your shelf looking impressive, or which you ought to plough through because it will Do You Good. It's wonderfully enjoyable and hugely rewarding, and I recommend it very highly indeed.
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