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  • Paperback: 240 pages
  • Publisher: IVP USA Purchase Account; First edition (7 Aug 2009)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0830837167
  • ISBN-13: 978-0830837168
  • Product Dimensions: 22.6 x 15.8 x 1.8 cm
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9 of 9 people found the following review helpful
Very detailed! 28 Dec 2009
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Jim Belcher in this book tries to look objectively at the emerging and traditional church. He looks at the main criticisms of both forms of church pointing out to a new kind of church that takes the best of the traditional evangelical church and the best of the emerging church and its emphasis on interacting with the culture of the 21st century to form what he calls deep church a third way of doing church. He is very detailed in the way he looks at the increasing debate between the two how they both could be guilty of reductionism. If you are looking at the emerging church for a degree course or ministerial formation this book is a must.
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This book is an example of a "model" of the church. I don't think there are enough similar books. By the very nature of it, any "model" book is going to be such that most readers will disagree with at least part of it. There are so many conflicting approaches to doing church today that the chance is high that you will not see eye-to-eye with everything any writer of such a book develops as his vision of how church is meant to be. There are surprisingly few of this type of book, but I very much enjoy reading them. Another example of this genre is Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Church. In both Warren's book and Belcher's you see a clear picture of how the church can be built. I really can't think of that many other examples of this genre, can you? I think it does us good to read such visions, as it should help us to develop our own vision of what we believe God is calling us to build.

Belcher attempts, therefore, a task almost guaranteed to get him criticism. To be even more dangerous, his model is trying to steer a middle course between two avowed enemies--the emerging and the so called "traditional" evangelical church. This piqued my interest as I would agree with many of the criticisms of the so-called "traditional" or "conservative" church that the emerging people have advanced. But I disagree with almost all of their offered solutions. In particular, I am very much on the traditional or conservative side when it comes to doctrine. Oddly, however, some of those in what you could term the "Bible-focused" end of the emerging movement do sound like a bit of an echo of the "New Church" movement in which I have grown up. But if Belcher is aiming for a "third way" between the traditional church and the emerging, I, along with many others, am working for a "third way" between the cessationist traditionals and the wacky charismatics. But enough of the model I am giving my life to. What of Belcher's?

The first thing to say is just how much Belcher tries to be fair to both perspectives. As an introduction to both sides of the modern chasm this is a very helpful primer. He has met with many of the key figures from the emerging movement and is incredibly kind to them. In fact, so much so that initially I was wondering, for example, what his perspective would be on the atonement, which is one of the areas of great controversy today. As the book continues, Belcher declares himself to be a believer in penal substitution, but in this and every area, he carefully explores the views of the emerging group.

Ironically, as Belcher points out, what is now called the "traditional" church is, in fact, based fairly firmly on a foundation of largely leaving aside the traditions of the centuries. "Bible only" is the rallying call. Thus, this group could almost be called the "anti-tradition" group. Belcher argues that this dislocation from the historical roots of Christianity has led to a weakness and an inability to adapt to changes in the world while staying true to the message once-for-all delivered to the saints. In the face of the increasing enmity of the culture to the church, many conservative churches are on the defensive, possibly more actively concerned about protecting their own purity and preventing the loss of their members than saving the lost.

Early in the book Belcher does a great job of explaining the difference between the "bounded set" way of doing church and the so-called "centered set." He explains this in perhaps the best way I have heard by the following illustration. A farmer in a nation where smaller farms are the norm will manage his farm and protect his animals by putting fences around the boundaries of his farm. These aim to keep the animals in and enemies out. A farmer with a very large farm, as seen in the Outback of Australia, will not be able to do this as the farm will simply be too big to fence. This farmer will therefore create a watering hole in the middle of his farm. The assumption is that the animals will not stray too far from the water. Thus, rather than worrying too much about adherence to doctrinal statements among new attenders of churches, it is argued, we should make sure that the preaching and other key aspects of our church life are so enriching and so central that people will be drawn back continually to them. Of course, there will be times when boundaries are very much needed, and Belcher acknowledges this. But, especially for a larger church, he is dead right that the priority has to be on making the very center of church life pure.

Belcher spends a lot of time arguing for "mere Christianity" as per C. S. Lewis' vision. It is from Lewis that he gets the phrase "Deep Church." He argues for a return to the ancient creeds and practices of the church. Where many evangelicals have argued for "Bible only" and a rejection of anything ancient, he argues for a return of some of the practices of denominational traditions, and a return to ancient beliefs and creedal practices. He argues that only those traditions can provide an anchor that will enable us to negotiate the changing culture. You may not agree with him entirely. But you will find yourself thinking again about how we do church. In particular, much of what he says about community life and interaction in church life did very much resonate with me.

Although I found that while there was much to disagree about, the very act of hearing him define his view helped me to be clearer about my own view. Also, there was much to agree with him about as well. I therefore commend this book as a helpful tool for everyone to read and be challenged by, especially by those in some form of church leadership.
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Easily One of the Best Books I Have Read on the Church 27 Aug 2009
By Matthew B. Redmond - Published on Amazon.com
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I have only read a few books with church in the title that were any good. Most of them read like religious versions of the marketing solutions for small businesses. In other words they were no help at all in my thinking about this crazy, messy and weirdly beautiful institution we call "the church."

If you add to the fact there is a raging battle going on in the western church about how to do/be/plant a church, the list of books worth reading actually becomes far narrower. Either the book is so irenic to the point of not daring to criticize anyone or anything in particular or the author simply writes off everyone not like him.

Enter Deep Church by Jim Belcher. Wait, no, lets back up. About, I don't know - 6 months ago, I think - I became friends on facebook with Jim Belcher. We had a number of mutual friends and seemed to have some similar sentiments/feelings/opinions on a number of things. Anyway, when I saw a blurb about his new book coming out with Tim Keller endorsing it, I pre-ordered it. You see, I have a rule that goes something like this: Order everything that Tim Keller endorses. Pretty safe rule. I also recommend touching his garments for church healing powers.

Now, enter Deep Church by Jim Belcher. Within 48 hours of receiving it, I finished it and filled it full of asterisks and underlinings and exclamation points. A breath of fresh air, it was easily the best book on the debates that are raging in the church today. So, what sets Deep Church apart from all others?

First, most books are arguing for either a `traditional' or `emerging' way of thinking about church life, Deep Church seeks to forge a `third way.' And this third way is not what you might think it is. It is not some Utopian pie in the sky, `can't we all just get along?' dream. What he does is criticize both groups where it is needed and celebrate what both groups bring to the table. What I appreciate the most about this was how he sympathized (as I and many others have) the questions of protest posed by the `emerging church' about the traditional church. The first 3 chapters are a great introduction about the debate, getting a handle on what the emerging church is and a description of `Mere Christianity' - those beliefs that all Christians everywhere and at all times have agreed on. In the next 7 chapters, he deals with 7 protests of the emerging church and he engages them well, celebrating the concerns they have and seeking to evaluate their answers. Why is this so valuable? Because in my gut I know they have raised some great points. And I want to learn from them without sacrificing `Mere Christianity.'

Second, Jim Belcher writes with real humility. This is important because most guys seem to write about the church with a certain bravado. It's the difference between "I've got all the answers" and "lets try this and see if this will work." His admission of frustrations and failures and difficulties was refreshing. Not merely for authenticity's sake but for the sake of saying, "Hey, I don't have it all together. But God does." His humility throughout the book makes for a very pleasant read.

Third, - and I have no idea how to label this reason for liking this book but - I actually marked this book up a good bit. I do this so rarely that it is a big deal when I do. I cannot keep a writing utensil near me to save my life so when I would read something I wanted to go back and read again or what I thought was noteworthy I would mark it - even if I had to get up out of my chair, step over my children begging me to play with them and go find one. Only those who rarely mark up books will get it.

Fourth, books on the church are not really known for emotionally moving the reader. This one did. I was moved to the point of tears more than once. Once because of the beauty of what I was reading and once because of the ugliness of my own lack of grace and charity and willingness to learn from those who are so different from me. What many may take for granted was very profound for me...

...the emerging church is passionate about the health of the church. They have serious problems with the traditional church and want to see changes. Since they are our brothers and sisters, we have a responsibility out of love, to take them seriously, to listen to them and to understand them accurately. (48)

It really struck me how little charity I show those I disagree with me, acting as if they want to hurt the church. Deep Church convicted me and emboldened me. And that seems to be the way of good books.

Last, the book is just very well written. Books about church life and practice written by pastors should have engaging stories. I mean, that is what is going on in the church on a huge level - people with their own story bumping up against other people with their story and all trying to find themselves in the Great Story of Redemption. To be honest, I had trouble putting this book down. I ignored my family during that 48 hours and when I finished I reintroduced myself, "Hello, I am your father and husband and I want to pastor a Deep Church."
36 of 37 people found the following review helpful
A Timely and Important Book 25 Aug 2009
By A. Morgan - Published on Amazon.com
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How far is too far? Where in terms of theology, ecclesiology, worship, preaching and mission do we draw the line in the sand and say this is too far and has lost sight of orthodox or biblical Christianity. And with regards to ecclesiology, or worship, or contextualization, where the Bible is interpreted differently, by what criteria do we even being to decide that something is too far?

These are some of the issues that have been raised with regards to the Emerging Church movement. Criticisms and even charges of heresy have been leveled against Emergent leaders and their methods, while the emergent leaders accuse the traditionalists of being out of touch, irrelevant and stuck in the past.

Jim Belcher's new book, Deep Church, looks to steer a third way between the emergent movement and the traditionalist / reformed approach. Why a third way? According to Belcher there is good to be found in both positions. The birth of Emergent came from the desire for the church to be more engaged with our postmodern culture. They raise excellent questions at some of the irrelevance and detachment of the traditional church. Each chapter of Deep Church is an analysis, critique and response to seven `protests' of the emerging movement against the `traditional' Church; 1. Captivity to enlightenment rationalism, 2. A narrow view of salvation, 3. Belief before belonging, 4. Uncontextualized worship, 5. Ineffective preaching, 6. Weak ecclesiology & 7. Tribalism (i.e. unwilling to engage the culture). The traditional church in response claims to stand on 2000 years of historic Christianity which they feel the emergent movement is simply discarding. Of course the debate (or argument) that usually takes place between these two sides too often focuses on the extremes of each tradition, and making any unity or move towards each other very difficult.

Belcher writes clearly and with objectivity. He represents both sides with fairness acknowledging both the good and the bad. He also writes as someone who has traveled this journey and personally wrestled with the issues on both an intellectual and practical level. Neither is he writing from a position of here-say or assumption. Belcher has visited the churches, spoken with and has even becomes friends of many of the leading emergent figures.

Belcher's response in each chapter is his proposed third way and it is the core of the book. This is no symbolic attempt to mediate between the two sides. This is a very real, practical and reasoned proposal for being church. From my perspective the emerging church has been stuck in `critique' mode. Its only message being "the traditional church is dying". All the books I have read have not really moved the `conversation forward from critique to real action. The traditionalists have also been stuck in critique mode, offering no real response. Here, in Deep Church, Belcher offers a way forward - a real response.

What I love about the book is that unlike other recent books that have tackled the emergent movement, Belcher speaks as one who has a real foot in both camps. He sees the real issues that the emergent movement have raised, but he is not willing to accept the complete re-write of historic Christianity which some in emergent are moving towards. For Belcher the anchor, or the line in the sand for the emergent movement should be the authority of scripture and the traditional historic creeds and confessions of the ancient church. But that should not quench creativity in worship, relevant and exciting (but biblical) preaching and strong community which leads to a real and transformative commitment in Jesus Christ as savior.

For this reason Belcher's book is both timely and important.

I have commented (here & here ) on my own frustrations with the emergent movement. I have appreciated the questions they raise and have sympathized with their frustrations. I was involved with an emergent type church in the UK and I have even had a chapter published in a book edited by Spencer Burke here in the States. But I also feel that too often they cross the line of biblical Christianity.

Belcher's book thoroughly resonated with me and it is a book I would highly recommend and encourage people to read.
24 of 24 people found the following review helpful
smart, fair, thoughtful 10 Sep 2009
By Rachel Evans - Published on Amazon.com
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What sets Deep Church apart is that it explains the emerging church phenomenon without putting it in a box. Belcher allows the diversity of the movement speak for itself, and does an excellent job of dispelling some of the myths and mischaracterizations that have dogged the emerging church and its proponents.

Highlights for me included: 1) Belcher's call in Chapter 3 to find common ground in classic/orthodox Christianity (the Apostle's Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed) which, if applied, would dramatically reduce some of the name-calling and accusations of heresy that have been most unhelpful in the discussion between the emerging and traditional camps, 2) Belcher's fabulous treatment of postmodernism and postfoundationalism in Chapter 4, where he rightly explains that when talking about postmodernism, folks in the emerging church and the traditional church are using the same term to refer to two completely different things, and where he concludes that "a third way rejects classical foundationalism and hard postmodernism," and 3) Belcher's fair handling of the atonement issue in Chapter 6, in which he clarifies that most emergering church leaders "are not against atonement theories and justification, but want to see it balanced with the message of the kingdom of God." These are just a few examples of Belcher's remarkably balanced approach, which is such a breath of fresh air.

Of course, in a book like this, it is inevitable that those of us who tend to identify with one side or the other will nitpick some of the author's characterizations or claims. For example, I disagree with complementarian positions that limit the role of women in church leadership, but I don't think this puts me in the category of "revisionists" who are "open to questioning key evangelical doctrines on theology and culture," as Belcher asserts on page 46. I felt that occasionally, Belcher's Calvinism got in the way of his third way, (particularly in Chapter 6 on "gospel" and Chapter 10 on "culture"), but I am of course a bit oversensitive to that because of my general aversion to systematic theology, particularly Reformed Theology.

These are little things considering Belcher's ambitious goal of trying to both define and bridge the gap between the emerging church and the traditional church--which he does marvelously. I am deeply grateful for his fair treatment of the subject and his commitment to pursue unity and understanding within the Church. Blessed are the peacemakers!
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