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Graeme Finlay , Stephen Lloyd , Stephen Pattemore , David Swift
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  • Paperback: 197 pages
  • Publisher: Paternoster Press (3 April 2009)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 1842276190
  • ISBN-13: 978-1842276198
  • Product Dimensions: 21.2 x 14 x 1.4 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (1 customer review)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 1,039,877 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Is Darwin a tool of Satan or a voice of reason?2009 is the 150th anniversary of the publication of The Origin of Species and Christians continue to disagree about whether Darwinism should be baptized into our theology or rejected as a tool of Satan. Debating Darwin is aimed at Christians on both sides of the debate and hopes to further discussion.In this book two distinct questions are under the microscope: 1. Is Darwinism compatible with orthodox Christian faith?2. Does the scientific evidence support Darwinism?The book begins with a simple explanation of the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. Stephen Lloyd then opens the first debate by making a theological and biblical case against Darwinism. He is met in battle by Graeme Finlay and Stephen Pattemore who argue that Christian Scripture and theology are compatible with Darwinism. This book will not tell readers what to think but it will inform the more intelligent debate.

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I have read plenty of books and articles on evolution, creation and intelligent design, but strangely not a book that presents an argument for theistic evolution. As a Christian I could not understand how it could be possible to be a Christian and believe in Darwinian evolution. It was therefore with some interest that I bought this book written by four authors, all Christian but two who believe in evolution and two who do not believe in evolution.

My main problem as a Christian was to understand how one could surmount the theological difficulties in trying to reconcile Darwinism and Biblical doctrine. While there are sections of the book where I struggled with the scientific details of micro biology, I have read enough to understand the gist of the arguments. The arguments presented by Graeme Finlay and Stephen Pattemore were the arguments for evolution that I have encountered previously, but I felt that there was very little emphasis on the role of God. Indeed my impression was that in their thinking there was little or no role for God in nature. There seemed to be little to distinguish them from any other believer in evolution. In addition the Bible was reduced to a confused mixture of myth and legend with a few historical facts here and there. While in one sense I found this very unsatisfactory, in another sense it confirmed what I personally believe that you either accept the Bible as the Word of God presenting truth which while needing some understanding of the culture and customs of the times, nevertheless embodies basic truths relevant to all of human history, or alternatively you water it down to a level where it loses overall coherence and any sense of being authoritative. So paradoxically the unsatisfactory attempts at reconciliation at least gave me the satisfaction of confirming what I believe.

The main problem with theistic evolution is that you must accept that death and suffering were present before the fall of Adam. This is in clear contradiction to Romans chapter 5 as well as other passages. The implication is that God is the author of death and suffering. The Bible clearly teaches that death is an enemy and indeed is the last enemy which will be destroyed. Furthermore there are numerous other theological problems which for the sake of space I will not list here. Suffice it to say that to my mind one needs to perform considerable mental and theological gymnastics with the clear text of scripture. While I am aware that the Bible contains history, prophecy, doctrine, poetry, pastoral and personal letters and that it uses similis, metaphors, parables and allegories and particularly in Revelation imagery, nevertheless there is a clear, coherent and cohesive message that has been understood through the centuries.

Like David Swift I certainly believe in micro evolution and the considerable variation and adaption that clearly occurs in nature. I also believe that homology gives far more evidence of common design than of common descent. Likewise with much that is common in the DNA of humans and animals. Ultimately the attempts to reconcile theology and (macro) evolution fail because I really think it is an either or situation.

Nevertheless this is a book worth reading. From what I have heard I think a better book might be "Should Christians embrace evolution?" I am in the process of getting this book and will review it in due course.
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Can Christians embrace evolution? 10 Feb 2010
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A debate is increasingly taking place within conservative Christianity regarding the compatibility of neo-Darwinism with scripture. This book is for those Christians who are interested in engaging in that debate. In broad terms, the debate is largely between those who argue for incompatibility, and deny some aspects of neo-Darwinism, with those who argue for complementarity of neo-Darwinism with scripture. "Debating Darwin" features a respectful debate between representatives from these two camps. The book is in two parts. Firstly, neo-Darwinism and scripture and secondly, the scientific evidence for neo-Darwinism. In each section of the book authors from each perspective present their argument in a single short essay followed by a short response to that essay from the opposing perspective. In the first section the authors take a holistic view of the biblical narrative, or story of redemption, and address whether a neo-Darwinist understanding of creation is compatible to that. In doing so, some of the more difficult biblical passages and doctrines are touched upon. In the second section, David Swift presents an Intelligent-Design based argument for the insufficiency of scientific explanations of macro-evolution, while Graeme Finlay presents evidence, primarily from the field of molecular genetics, for the common ancestry of humans with other primates. The book is brief and therefore accessible. Although not fully comprehensive in regard to it's representation of all view-points and it's treatment of the whole gamut of scientific evidence, "Debating Darwin" does provide in-depth arguments that are given from the respective authors areas of expertise. Whether new to the debate, or already familiar with it, this book should have something to offer. Regardless of your opinion regarding evolution, this book does demonstrate that respectful debate can take place in a Christ-honoring manner.
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