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Church and State II (Cerebus, Book 4) [Paperback]

Dave Sim , Gerhard
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  • Paperback: 630 pages
  • Publisher: New Holland Publishers Ltd (July 1988)
  • Language English
  • ISBN-10: 0919359116
  • ISBN-13: 978-0919359116
  • Product Dimensions: 25.1 x 18.8 x 3.6 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (1 customer review)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 398,579 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Grand Finale or Grand Finally?, 20 Jan 2004
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Greg C D'ABBADIE (Saint Max, France) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Church and State II (Cerebus, Book 4) (Paperback)
This is the second part of Dave Sim's 'Church & State' epic. In book one we see Cerebus rise to Prime Ministerhood for the second time only to be then nominated Pope. This is the second part of that story, which sees him rise to Valhala to meet the Creator. It also features parodies of Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, which are absolutely hilarious.

The novel has many different sides to it. There's the religious side, which questions the idea of organised religion in the first place and put into question the morality of those at the top. There the humourous side of the story that sometimes is very noticeably absent but sometimes all to present. There is also the side that analyses human relations and all that comes with it.

It is impossible to start reading this novel and understand the characters without having previously read Church & State I. Do not attempt it.

All in all it's a book that can be fun to read at first but if you go through it again (and again...) you'll find yourself realising things that you didn't quite notice the previous time you read it. Be warned though that in order to read Church & State part I and II one after the other you will require a lot of free time. I found myself very hard put to stop reading but the 2 novels put together make up an impressive 1222 pages.

I must admit that I'm a fan of Cerebus in any case and that I'm quite biased as I think that Dave Sim is a great author. In an age when there are many lack-lustre wannabes, Cerebus shines through with its mix of philosophical ideas and knee-slapping humour.

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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Aardvark in the Dark Ages aspires to epic, 17 Aug 2000
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This ambitious series must have started as a drunken dare. Dave Sim, sometime in writing his black and white comic book about a mercenary aardvark, decided to make it a 300 issue epic, complete with his aardvark becoming pope and meeting God. This book (the second of the Church and State arc) is generally considered Sim's best work, before he suffered the Woody Allen syndrome of abandoning the plot and satire-driven formula that drove his success for plodding, self-involved storylines. This book pokes fun at everyone, including the Rolling Stones, Groucho Marx, Elric, the entire Catholic church, and yet somehow manages to have an interesting interaction with God.

The only caveat I would warn readers with is this: reading this book is going to make you want to buy the rest of this series, and that's going to get expensive.


4 of 5 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars THe High Point part 2, 12 Jan 2000
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This review is from: Church and State II (Cerebus, Book 4) (Paperback)
In my opinion the two volumes that comprise Church and State are the best of Cerebus. No longer Prime Minister and no longer caring about anything Cerebus is nominated to pontiff and decides everyone should give them gold. His object lessons with the young and old will give you a heartattack they are so funny. The underlying statements on religion, politics, and humanity is thought provoking and intense.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Aardvark Evolution, 10 Feb 2006
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This review is from: Church and State II (Cerebus, Book 4) (Paperback)
***This review contains spoilers***

I've only recently gotten into Cerebus, and I can't get them fast enough. I thoroughly enjoyed volume 1. High Society was interesting in the development of the story and character, though I didn't really connect with it the way a lot of people did. Then I got to Church and State and was blown away. I finished part 2 in one marathon session, reading years worth of material in just hours.

It's not often I've read a comic that made me sit back and say "Wow." It's also not often to read a comic where the main character rapes someone and you STILL like him, even though he isn't supposed to be likable. Many people seemed to be turned off by the decidedly darker tone the story takes, but I found it fascinating. Cerebus was truly evolving.

The biggest change was that Cerebus was no longer some asexual celibate. The storylines were even more mature than before, with Cerebus emerging as a lustful, sexual being, capable of emotions more complex than just annoyance and anger. His relationships with all the various women in the story were all well designed and almost tragic in that everything Cerebus gets involved with always ends in the worst possible way. He blows his relationship with Michelle by listening to the wrong person. He's married to Sophia and doesn't love her, yet he is afraid to leave her. When he finally realizes his true love is Jaka, he can't have her. It's quite sad, actually.

The artwork is better than ever. Cerebus is no longer just a gray blob, but now has some muscular definition, making him seem even more real. And the backgrounds are just stunning, many of which are shown with no dialogue at all.

And then there's the ending. What a punch to the gut. The Judge's last words to Cerebus cut like a chainsaw, and the final scene of Cerebus returning to the destroyed city, walking the empty streets is just haunting. I haven't been able to get it out of my head. And while the overall story of Church and State may not be as overtly funny as what came before it, it's still funny in it's own way. Some people are turned off by Cerebus's harsh behavior, but I thought it was great. After being manipulated for so long with disastrous results in High Society and Church & State 1, he unleashes his rage like a hurricane once he becomes the pope. I thought it was just perfect.
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