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Charles Murray and the Underclass: The Developing Debate (Choice in Welfare) [Kindle Edition]

Charles Murray , Melanie Phillips , Ruth Lister
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Charles Murray is one of America's most respected social policy analysts. His ideas about the underclass, outlined in his classic Losing Ground, have entered the mainstream of the debate about poverty. Murray's thesis, that the underclass represents not a degree of poverty but a type of poverty, characterised by deviant attitudes towards parenting, work and crime, has been explosively controversial. It has also become more difficult to resist, as the deterioration of the social fabric has become increasingly obvious. In 1989 The Sunday Times brought Charles Murray to Britain to compare the British and US situations. In his article, subsequently published by the IEA as The Emerging British Underclass, Murray described himself as a 'visitor from a plague area come to see whether the disease is spreading'. In 1993 he returned to check on its progress, and the resulting article, also for The Sunday Times, was published with commentaries by critics of Murray's thesis, thus presenting the reader with a range of views on the issue. The success of the underclass titles, particularly as teaching aids in schools and universities, has led to the present omnibus edition which contains all of the original material from both volumes, together with a new introduction by Ruth Lister of Loughborough University and an update of the statistics by Alan Buckingham of the University of Sussex. "If you want to read one book specifically on the 'underclass', this is it." Community Care.

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  • Format: Kindle Edition
  • File Size: 850 KB
  • Print Length: 188 pages
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  • Publisher: Civitas: Institute for the Study of Civil Society (17 Jun 1999)
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  • Language: English
  • ASIN: B007HOF1VA
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5.0 out of 5 stars An excellent book 15 Jan 2010
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If you want to read a book about the arguments and counter-arguments about single-parenthood then this is the book for you. The book consists of two essays written by Murray, and eight responses from a variety of academic (four in response to each). Murray's arguments appear to have some credibility to them, but the academics make light work of pointing out the flaws in most of his points in their responses.

Murray is on a crusade against the evils of 'illegitimacy', as he perceives them. He does a good job of packaging his concerns in such as way as to make them sound reasonable and not just an expression of religious conviction and/or prejudice. However, his seemingly reasonable argument against 'illegitimacy' on the grounds that 'communities need fathers' quickly comes unstuck when it is pointed out that many married mothers get divorced, while many single mothers get married. If he was really concerned about children having a male role model in their lives then surely he would want to consider that too, yet strangely he seems not to (and not to care too much when this flaw in his argument is pointed out to him.)

I enjoyed this book a great deal, and was impressed by the insight and compassion of the respondants to Murray's clever sounding but ultimately flawed arguments.
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4.0 out of 5 stars very interesting and informative 18 Mar 2010
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it is a very interesting topic, i had found it online but it was nice to actually have a book to look at very interesting subject and great for critiques of the subject to.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Propaganda and PR at its best 7 April 2011
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First of all, Murray is and has been a long-time fanatical memerb of teh AEI whose foundng memebrs include Eli Lilly, General Mills, Bristol-Myers, Chemical Bank, Chrysler, and Paine Webber. All these companies have a vested interested in keeping the lid on social need and pay Murray for doing so. Other member of AEI inluce the geneocidal Paul Wolfowitz a true neo-conservatie fanatic who sisngle-handedly brought abouth the Bush invasion of Irag and Afghanistan and worked very hard to have Iran bombed by the USA. Newt Gingrich is also an executive memerb..need I say more. So the Murrya scheme goes like this do away with all social disbursements and have every follow the uper middle class model!. O yeah! The upper middle class mondel Murray referes to existsd in Georgetown, NYC, LA, SF and is composed of educated elitists. He references a "typical" neighborhood in Georgetwon: the person stattes he graduated from harvard. His neighbor is also a Harvard graduate and Yale law school. the otehr neighbor is a Princeton graduate. He goes on to say this is jsut a typical neighborhood!! Murray states the upper middle calss has not changed and is exemplary in their conservatism: stable, spiritual, values, etc. and very hard working: they live to work and they are very rpoductive whereas the europeans and the under-class he refers to just work to live or are bums. He is supported by the top 1% of all wage earners of which 0.25% contribute 80% to the policital elections. Amazing in itself. He never once raises the question of how we got to such an increase in the lower working class, lower class (teachers, technciians, etc., and middle class. But everyone should emualte the upper class from the elite colleges with backgrounds that are not even close to the classes he condemns for lazines, shiftlessness, non-productivity, out-of-wedlock babies, etc. So the problems with his work is the same old problem with his wokr. It is half finished. he never and has never provided rationale, discussion, reasons for the phenomenum he claims of the lower class, lower middle class and middle class. Is it due to alination? Is it due to a loss in confidence with the institutions, etc? He makes teh case for the corporations and conservative not to redistribute and avoid social responsibilities. he cites the "Tea Party". It is made up of older well-off people. It is an organization founded by the likes of the Koch brotehrs under the banner of American for Freedom. the memebrs of the Tea Party could be memebrs fo teh nazi party becasue they are so stupid they do not know how they are being used by the KOchs and coproations who fund that stupid organization. in the end we should all work and live like the people who live in Princeton. that includes truck drivers, mechanics, chemists, nurses, carpenters, sales people, and on. they shosuld all wokr 70-80 hours a week like the upper class he referneces, beacsue it is the upper class who has really discovered the secret of success!! He has never heard of the 40 hour week; unions, quality of work, etc. He wants us all to become slaves to the corporate-government-military complex and do away with all social programs and support of humanity. the richer the rich become the better the USA and world will be. Let everything alone and let it ride; free-wheeling capitalism in the driver's seat. he has no heart, no brains, no compassion, no honesty, no integrity and is without moral values and ethics. This book demonstrates his character once again. If you read the book or read Murray always ask yourself what is the conclusion and what is the reason for his statements and reasoning. He has little facts and no reasoning or causal analyses, ever. He cannot, because he is paid not to by his Grantors and the AEI. Think of it. We are all suppose tow ork 70-80 hours like the uppder class model. The people he refers to as the Underclass have hourly jobs. Their empoyers pay them by the hour and they pay them for 35-40 hours per week. The upper class are salaried. the book is fille with such jibberish and nonsensical stupidity demonstrating Murrays polarization from the America he is not familar with; outside of Princeton, Georgetown, NYC.
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