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Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 Romantic (1878/80 version, ed. Haas) [CD]

Anton Bruckner , Georg Tintner , Royal Scottish National Orchestra Audio CD
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  • Orchestra: Royal Scottish National Orchestra
  • Conductor: Georg Tintner
  • Composer: Anton Bruckner
  • Audio CD (30 Nov 1998)
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Format: CD
  • Label: Naxos
  • ASIN: B00000I8VF
  • Other Editions: MP3 Download
  • Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (4 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 105,233 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

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Listen  1. Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, WAB 104, "Romantic" (1881 version, ed. R. Haas): I. Bewegt, nicht zu schnell21:33Album Only
Listen  2. Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, WAB 104, "Romantic" (1881 version, ed. R. Haas): II. Andante quasi allegretto16:19Album Only
Listen  3. Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, WAB 104, "Romantic" (1881 version, ed. R. Haas): III. Scherzo: Bewegt12:04Album Only
Listen  4. Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, WAB 104, "Romantic" (1881 version, ed. R. Haas): IV. Finale: Bewegt, doch nicht zu schnell23:09Album Only

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Symphonie n° 4 "Romantique" / Royal Scottish National Orchestra, dir. Georg Tintner

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10 of 10 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars A glorious performance, faithfully recorded 27 Nov 2007
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Georg Tintner proves again that he has the full measure of Bruckner. That he was discovered by Naxos and enabled to commit a full symphonic cycle to disc before his death has to be a source of great thankfulness. In an age of conductors who are too attached to "projecting" their performances, here is someone from a different era who understands the Bruckner pulse and is willing to allow the music to express itself fully. I have heard many good performances of this symphony on disc (and have a particular affection for Karl Bohm's reading with the Vienna Philharmonic on Decca) as well as being privileged to have been present at a stunningly good live performance at the Proms by the Leipzig Gewandhaus under Kurt Masur. This Tintner rendering can stand shoulder to shoulder with the very best. Moreover, the playing is completely in sympathy with the conductor's reading and the engineers capture the glow of the orchestral sound very realistically. A real bargain!
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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Slower but steadfast, great tension 13 Jun 2009
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I have to disagree with Mr.Christian Hoskins - don't let the slower tempi put you off.

I came to this version after Wand with the NDR and, although this is slower, it's rock solid and there is fantastic tension building throughout - especially at the beginning of the opening movement.

The slower tempi also help make it easier to hear into the more densely orchestrated sections.

Great recording too.
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent Version of Bruckner Symphony 4 29 Aug 2013
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The Royal Scottish National Orchestra conducted by Georg Tintner have produced an amazingly brilliant recording here of the Bruckner Symphony 4. It is easily clear that Tintner really has got to grips with Bruckner and obviously understands the complex emotion in this great symphony.
Every stage of the symphony is perfectly executed with full use of the orchestras melodic performance ability. There is great power where it is needed and the more subtle phrases are expertly done.
It goes without saying that the symphony itself is fantastic but when you compare this recording to the likes of the earlier release on Naxos with the Royal Flanders Philharmonic under Geunter Neuhold or the more well known recordings on other labels you realise that this is an outstanding performance and recording.
You really cannot go wrong with this release. The sound is really good and I would be interested to hear the recordings by the same orchestra and conductor of the other Bruckner symphonies in the cycle.
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars A magnificent rendering 2 July 2013
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This version of Bruckner's Fourth Symphony is simply superb. When he was young,the conductor, Georg Tintner, sang Bruckner's Masses in the Vienna Boys' Choir, and it is obvious from this CD that he has a special affinity with Bruckner's music. All the tension, drama, sadness, austerity, innocence and lyrical beauty of the composer's music is here in abundance, with Tintner and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra doing great justice to the multi-faceted score. Since Bruckner revised the score several times after its first appearance in 1874,, it is worth pointing out here that this is the final version composed in 1880 with the new Finale - and what a breathtaking Finale it is! The more I listen to this CD, the more I love it - the sound quality is excellent, the tempi perfect, the brass clear and bright. A first-class CD that more than deserves its 5-star rating.
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17 of 19 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Superlative 25 May 2003
By Fredric Hohlen - Published on
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Tintner's Bruckner cycle has, for me, proved to be a hit and miss affair, marked by illuminating performances and lackluster mediocrity. This recording is most certainly in the former category!
Nowhere on record have I found a recording that so brings out the grandeur and majesty of the 4th symphony. In respectful disagreement with one of the other reviewers, I must say that I find the brass to be fine toned and superbly played. Indeed, the clean brass sound here pleases the ear more than many competeing versions, especially because the digital recording helps to take any distortion off of the tone.
Tintner's main attribute here is his extraordinarily sensitive tempos. The phrases in the first movement are stretched out just long enough to truly bring out a sense of awe and wonder, and if his style is perhaps a bit slower than usual, he certainly makes a case for it. Going back to the Jochum after listening to this CD, I was almost depressed at the lack of space-and Jochum's was previously one of my favorite recordings, period.
Naxos has done also wonders with the sound here, creating a beautiful, clean, digital recording. The dynamic range holds up well-perhaps a little too well for some listners, who may find themselves adjusting the volume level to avoid being blasted away. For an introduction to Bruckner or anyone interested in late romantic symphonies, this bargain disc can't be beat-and Tintner's revelatory conducting makes this recording a must for collectors as well.
15 of 18 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars ANOTHER AMAZING PERFORMANCE BY TINTNER! 15 Sep 2000
By "davidsbundler" - Published on
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PERFORMANCE: 9 out of 10.
RECORDING: 9 out of 10.
There are several versions of the 4th. Of those which have been published, there are:
(1) The original 1874 version (ed. Nowak);
(2) The 1878 version. (movements 1-3 ed. Haas, finale ed. Haas and Nowak);
(3) The "1878-80" version (really 1881, ed. Haas);
(4) Another "1878-80" version (really 1886, ed. Nowak); &
(5) The first published edition. (which is increasingly accepted as authentic).
The original version (1) has a fiery scherzo rather than the harmonically brilliant "hunting" scherzo that we now know (versions 2-5).
The finales of the first two versions (1 & 2) lack the slow c minor section for strings which is repeated in two different keys (versions 3 & 4.) A rare example of Bruckner adding material in a revision!
Versions 3 & 4 both quote the opening "motto" theme early in the finale. However, version 4 repeats this at the very end. Therefore, the second quotation is superfluous. Also in version 4, the beginning of the trio is changed (by others?) from the original combination of oboe & clarinet to a less colourful combination of flute & clarinet.
The first published edition (5) contains horrendous amputations like the 1889 version of the 3rd symphony.
So I believe that version 3 wins on points. This is the version that Tintner gives us.
This CD lives up to the high standards that Dr. Tintner and Naxos have set. I heartily recommend the entire series to all those who are unfamiliar with the composer and to comparative "Brucknerheads".
9 of 12 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Seems too good to be true! 7 Nov 2000
By Kenneth Fung - Published on
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Honestly, Bruckner has not been my favorite composer until I listened to the wonderful cycle by Tintner on Naxos. There are more warmth, more expressions, more phrasings, more direction, more energy....simply put, more music! I played this one alongside the famous Berlin Philharmonic/Karajan reading and Tintner is a clear winner. Even the recording sounds clearer and warmer. And we have to bear in mind we only pay a bargain price for this superlative CD. Bravo, Naxos!
Highly recommended. (And the recommendation is for the whole Bruckner cycle, not limiting to Sym #4.)
4 of 5 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Comparative Review 16 July 2009
By Karl W. Nehring - Published on
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This review compares the Tintner Naxos recording against a recording by Salonen on Sony. Bear with me a moment as I start this comparison with a gripe about the cover art on the Sony CD, which features glamorous closeups of Salonen, some of which show him either trying to look angelic and profound or else trying to look like opera/pop superstar Andrea Bocelli, who at least has an excuse for posing with closed eyes (Mr. Bocelli is blind). The Naxos CD by comparison is a model of taste and functionality (it is much easier to tell at a glance what the heck you are looking at when you come across this one in the CD rack, that's for sure).

I did not purchase these two CDs at the same time. I first picked up the Salonen version, and when I listened to it the first few times, I thought it was nicely recorded, nicely played, but lacking something. It was rather boring, actually. I much preferred my old favorite Chailly/Concertgebouw recording on London.

When I finally picked up the Tintner, my first reaction was, "now, this is more like it." Tintner took the opening movement quite slowly, but he seemed to have everything thought out in such a way that the music always seemed fresh and exciting. The orchestra did not seem quite as polished as the LA Philharmonic, and the recording seemed not quite as refined, but the end result just seemed to be a better rendition of what I would suppose Bruckner's musical intentions to be.

Just for fun, I decided to do my final comparison of the two versions in a "blind" fashion. I stuck the two disks in two players and switched back and forth between them. On the piece of paper I had in front of me to write comments upon, I marked off columns for "A" and "B."

As I listened, I began to take notes. I noted that in recording A for example, the sound of the horns--in terms of both sound quality and musical phrasing--seemed much more rustic and atmospheric, while the bass in recording B seemed a bit firmer, and the overall sound quality seemed a bit more refined.

One of the fascinating puzzles growing out of this comparative process was that it was hard to decide about recording B whether the refined sound made the orchestra sound more refined, or whether it was rather the more refined sound of the orchestra that made the engineering seem more refined. Chew on that one for a while...

I also noted that the violins in recording A were spread across the stage, but in recording B they seemed relegated to the left side. I preferred the resulting sound of the old-fashioned arrangement of violins in A, which seemed to fill out the "sound picture" nicely.

Overall, recording A just seemed to offer a more vivid and more convincing musical interpretation of Bruckner. Although I thought recording B was a very good recording, I found myself more entertained and delighted by A, and it seemed to me that A presented a much more convincing Bruckner performance. Recording B was pleasant, but it wasn't quite Bruckner. It is recording A, then, that became my pick from this comparison.

Yes, I of course had realized after a minute or two of listening--not even that long, probably--that recording A had to be the Tintner recording, because of what I had heard of the two recordings before comparing them in this fashion. (I may have been blind for this comparison, but I was not deaf.) At about ten bucks less than the Sony disk, then, the Naxos is a genuine bargain, and I recommend it highly.
4.0 out of 5 stars An interesting "Original' 4TH 28 Oct 2013
By NUC MED TECH - Published on
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the is the 1874 original version of the sYMPHONY#4 IN E-flat major led byGeorge Tintner and played bythe Royal Scottish SymphonyOrchestra recorded in Glasgow, Scotland. It wasIt is a DDD reading done on Octoberr 16th and 17th and runs an epis 73:08. It uses the 1878/80 version by Robert HaasRight away, the first twomovements I found very interesting and pleasent, but the scherzo and the ponderous finale, tried nmy patience to the nth degree. i have an Inbal/FrankfurtRadio Teldec of this and a few othe Bruckner "originals" on myshelvesand they areallingteresting. The Inbasl/4th is much better recorded than this Naxos Tintner 4th and in fact, someof Tintner is barely audibleI believe Simone Younbg's Bruckner cycle, now near cokpletion,contains all or the majority of the original with ll their awkwarsnes as wellas thei suprisingly clever ideas and concepts. In short, this Tintner 4th is a mixed bag. Still, it is worth collecting because, to me, any. New Brucckner ifl good Bruckner. It is kind old like garlic, one can seldom have too much!!
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