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Beethoven: Complete Symphonies [Box set, Live]

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  • Audio CD (17 Mar 2003)
  • SPARS Code: DDD
  • Number of Discs: 5
  • Format: Box set, Live
  • Label: EMI Classics
  • ASIN: B000084T5W
  • Other Editions: MP3 Download
  • Average Customer Review: 3.7 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (13 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 117,091 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

Disc: 1
1. I: Adagio Molto - Allegro Con Brio
2. II: Andante Cantabile Con Moto
3. III: Menuetto & Trio: Allegro Molto E Vivace
4. IV: Adagio - Allegro Molto E Vivace
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Disc: 2
1. I: Adagio Molto - Allegro Con Brio
2. II: Larghetto
3. III: Scherzo & Trio: Allegro
4. IV: Allegro Molto
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Disc: 3
1. I: Adagio - Allegro Vivace
2. II: Adagio
3. III: Menuetto: Allegro Vivace. Trio: Un Poco Meno Allegro
4. IV: Allegro Ma Non Troppo
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Disc: 4
1. I: Poco Sostenuto - Vivace
2. II: Allegretto
3. III: Presto - Assai Meno Presto
4. IV: Allegro Con Brio
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Disc: 5
1. I: Allegro Non Troppo, Un Poco Maetoso - Barbara Bonney
2. II: Molto Vivace - Presto - Barbara Bonney
3. III: Adagio Molto E Cantabile - Andante Moderato - Tempo I - Andante Moderato - Adagio - Lo Stesso Tempo - Barbara Bonney
4. IV: Presto - Allegro Assai - Barbara Bonney
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59 of 64 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Welcome to A Place Unvisited Before! 18 May 2003
Format:Audio CD
A superheated set of performances. Rattle made it clear that his aim was to shock. Explaining his approach (always an iffy thing for a conductor to attempt) Sir Simon made much about Beethoven's shockingness - stories of Beethoven shouting Boo! to unsuspecting folk and vivid metaphors of buses and the edges of cliffs! To be sure Beethoven shocked (some of) his contemporaries. That is one thing, to attempt to shock us in the same way now is another thing altogether. But somehow Rattle achieves his aim. For this Beethoven is unlike any Beethoven we might meet in other sets of the symphonies. This is Beethoven overdosed on 'The Rite of Spring'.

At its heart this volcanic set has tremendous performances of the 5th and 6th. They are of powerfully sustained intensity, the effect is splendidly impressive and satisfying. The Pastoral especially has immense power and eloquence - more a meteor storm than a few drops of rain!

Other performances are (much) more problematic. One problem is the sound that Rattle has persuaded the magnificent VPO to produce, utterly unlike the orchestra's traditional sound - this glares with a metallic hardness. For comparison while Harnoncourt's Chamber Orchestra of Europe seems lit by a Vermeer light, Rattle's VPO is lit by halogen. And Rattle's approach so often (unsurprisingly) matches the sound he has created, frequently there are passages of brash relentless, sometimes of brutal aggressiveness (with clearly audible gruntings to match!). Climaxes are often belligerent, an attacking pack of snarling Dobermen. Conclusions bring relief but rarely exaltation - the exception is the conclusion of the 7th. But the finale of the 9th is unremitting and hectoring - 'You will be joyful!' But there is little sense of real elation.

Another persistent problem is that movements often fail to cohere. Rattle's notorious pernicketiness doesn't help. The first movement of the 9th progresses through a clutter of fluctuating, fussy tempo changes. The effect is that certain movements come across with little sense of cogent integrated completeness. The impression is like a display of interesting artefacts - a conducted tour of a 'Beethoven room' in the British Museum. Despite this the results can be powerful and impressive. For example the Eroica's Funeral March and the Adagio of the 9th, both powerfully expressive.

It is reported that reviewing the project Rattle remarked, 'I think we reached a point none of us had visited before'! He wasn't wrong! Judging by a multitude of comparative sets, no one has been here before! This is an utterly individual approach. And it is a shock! Which is why we are grateful to Rattle, the VPO and EMI. A 'must hear' set of hyper-intense (if frustrating) performances, very impressively packaged and presented.
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36 of 40 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars A discovery new and old 25 April 2003
Format:Audio CD
This new set has been long and highly awaited. When news came through Gramophone that a new cycle was being recorded, I was filled with excitement. Furtwangler, Karajan (1963 and 1977), Klemperer and Toscanini to name the justly great cycles of Beethoven came back to mind. Being recorded live, it is bound to be a set filled with high charge energy. The above would have been recorded in the old school of performance whereas it was expected that Rattle would try out a combination of the VPO's rich and lustrous tone and tradition with new performance practice, not to mention the new text edition by Jonathan del Mar. And in this he does. In certain parts of the symphonies, you will hear the rich tones associated with the VPO but in certain areas, you will be surprised! Abbado's new DG set and DVD cycle uses the new del Mar edition as well.

With Sir Simon Rattle, one would expect an energetic and interpretations full of delight and surprises. Which is exactly what one would get listening to the first 2 symphonies. Full of verve and wit and swift tempos, they are a sheer delight. Being a live recording the audience was clearly there with them - no intrusions from the audience throughout.

The 1st movement of the Eroica comes through with energy and power. Klemperer and Giulini come to mind in this and although the speeds are distinctly different, the merits in these recordings are clear. What I missed in this Eroica was the intensity which the Gramophone reviewer Richard Osborne mentioned in his review of one of the actual concerts. If I had not known of that performance, I would be inclined to think that this was a good Eroica performance and as such, it should be.

The 4th symphony is swift in tempos and freshly projected but lacking in the rich sound and articulation in Karajan's 1963 set and Abbado's recent DG set.

The ideas and interpretation in the 5th Symphony in this new set sounds more connected than the earlier release (also under EMI). In that earlier release which was coupled with a Brahms Violin Concerto with Kyung Wha Chung, the mix of old and new was too much and too many. It was clear that one would not be getting a reading with the momentum to carry you through.

The Pastoral in this new set is a wonder. The Awakening of cheerful
feelings on arriving in the country and Scene by the Brook is as delightful as it can get. It was sheer delight and the build up to the Storm section was superbly done culminating with a real feeling of peace and serenity in the finale. The cellos are wonderfully nursed in the finale and being Giulini's assistant back in the Los Angeles Philhamonic, I would have expected no less. Listen to Giulini's wonder Pastoral issued in 1994 with the La Scala Philharmonic under Sony Classical. I would have loved to be in the audience at the Vienna performance.

The 7th symphony is only occasionally satisfying. The antiphonal lay out of the violins do pay dividends in the 1st movement but somehow I found it lacking in power (listen to Carlos Kleiber's VPO recording(DG Originals) or Karajan in 1963(DG), Toscanini's with the New York issued by Naxos and Sir Colin Davis (EMI)). The 2nd movement is not as moving and memorable as it should but this does not take away the force and momentum in the Allegro con brio finale.

Somehow I feel that the 2nd movement in all the symphonies except for the 9th could have been done a bit better. Listen to the concerto cycle with Brendel(Philips) and you will see what I mean. In that set, Rattle had Brendel who played brilliantly in the slow movements. However this does not in anyway undermine the performances in this new set which I am listening to for the umpteenth time.

The 8th symphony comes across with thrilling projection and excitement. Only in the Allegretto Scherzando did I find the reading subdued but no problems with the Allegro Vivace.

The 9th symphony is packed with drama and tension and the first 2 movements was wonderfully played. But certain parts of the symphony I missed some details which are clearly audible in the slow movements - listen to Abbado's wonderful BPO performance (recently issued by TDK DVD) at the 10th European Concert and issued as part of Abbado's DVD Beethoven cycle. The finale is memorable for a fine performance not only from the soloists but also from the City of Birmingham chorus under Simon Halsey.

It is clear that this is a set to keep worthy for the Pastoral, Eroica, Choral and the first 2 symphonies. I await eagerly when Rattle would get a chance to record with his new orchestra and when his ideas and style would be grafted into the playing of the BPO in the years to come. Rattle does indeed take you on a journey of discovery and along the way, surprises, delight, excitement and disappointment comes to mind and for the price, it is a journey worth undertaking every few years once! Bon voyage!

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10 of 11 people found the following review helpful
By P. Lee
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The answer is in the affirmative, though with some minor reservations. No one interpreter has everything to say about this marvellous music, but I came to this set curious to hear what probably the greatest living conductor has to say about the greatest orchestral oeuvre, bar none. On reflection, the Abbado complete set (also with the VPO) treats each symphony as a single entity, but Rattle sees each symphony as a step on a journey, ending with the sublime 9th, which, he says, "comes from another planet". An interesting approach, though one I am not sure works; it is unlikely anyone will actually listen to all the symphonies together in one sitting, thus do individually-heard symphonies suffer as a result? Certainly some of the interpretations are more successful than others: the 6th is probably the most successful, it being seen by Rattle as one of Beethoven's most spiritual works, it certainly comes up to scratch compared with my old Bohm/VPO account, and the sound is that much better. The final pages of the 9th seem underhwelming to me, not as exciting and hair-raising as some. On the whole, tempi are faster than most (except the 1st and 3rd movements of the 9th, which are played much slower, making the symphony as a whole a little lop-sided), reflecting Norrington's influence on Rattle's performing style, and his interest in the whole 'period performance' aesthetic.
So, all in all a mixed bag. The sound itself (considering the sources to be live performances) is immediate and thrilling. Certainly most of the performances here will not be supplanting my older, treasured interpretations, but it is still a set to cherish, though one can't help thinking that Rattle, being still a relatively young man, has still much more to say in the future about this great great music.
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