or
Sign in to turn on 1-Click ordering.
More Buying Choices
Have one to sell? Sell yours here
Sorry, this item is not available in
Image not available for
Colour:
Image not available

 
Tell the Publisher!
I’d like to read this book on Kindle

Don't have a Kindle? Get your Kindle here, or download a FREE Kindle Reading App.

Association Football in Victorian England [Paperback]

Philip Gibbons
1.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (3 customer reviews)
Price: £13.99 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery. See details and conditions
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
Only 1 left in stock (more on the way).
Dispatched from and sold by Amazon. Gift-wrap available.
Want delivery by Friday, 24 May? Choose Express delivery at checkout. See Details
Amazon.co.uk Trade-In Store
Did you know you can trade in your old books for an Amazon.co.uk Gift Card to spend on the things you want? Visit the Books Trade-In Store for more details. Learn more.

Book Description

1 Aug 2002
Prior to the 1870s, Association Football tended to be enjoyed as a form of exercise at public schools or a game between friends in a local park. However, with the administrative skills of the likes of Charles Alcock, Francis Marindin, Arthur Kinnaird and William McGregor, the game grew to such an extent that it became an important part in the lives of both players and spectators as the century reached its end. The history of the early clubs, international games, as well as the growth of the professional clubs, are all encompassed in this book, including the likes of Aston Villa, Manchester United and Liverpool, when they started out as struggling little clubs.

Frequently Bought Together

Association Football in Victorian England + Goal-Post: Victorian Football + 50 Years of Football 1884-1934 (Classic Reprint) (Classic Reprint Series)
Price For All Three: £37.49

Some of these items are dispatched sooner than the others.

Buy the selected items together


Product details

  • Paperback: 484 pages
  • Publisher: Upfront Publishing (1 Aug 2002)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1844260356
  • ISBN-13: 978-1844260355
  • Product Dimensions: 15.6 x 4 x 23.4 cm
  • Average Customer Review: 1.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (3 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 1,141,320 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

Sell a Digital Version of This Book in the Kindle Store

If you are a publisher or author and hold the digital rights to a book, you can sell a digital version of it in our Kindle Store. Learn more

What Other Items Do Customers Buy After Viewing This Item?


Customer Reviews

5 star
0
4 star
0
3 star
0
1.3 out of 5 stars
1.3 out of 5 stars
Most Helpful Customer Reviews
9 of 10 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars Wide of the goal 6 Nov 2002
By Mike D
Amazon Verified Purchase
The history of sport in general, and football in particular, is surprisingly little studied in the UK. There has, of course, been quite an upsurge in the academic study of sports history in the last 10 or 15 years, but, even so, enthusiasts and serious students of the game alike can only look with envy at the wide range of materials - team histories, player biographies, academic texts - available to fans of, say, baseball's 'dead-ball' era. This book is, in fact, the first general study of the origins of English 'soccer' to be published since James Malvin's rather shorter (but much broader) 'The People's Game', which first appeared something like 30 years ago.

It's for this reason that Philip Gibbons' work is such a disappointment. It is, let it be admitted, the product of a tremendous amount of work; it reads easily enough; and it is also admirably comprehensive, so long as you are interested in the scorelines of matches that took place up to 130 years ago. Yet it so lacks both context and any sense of a developing story, or even of the excitement of individual games, that it is hard to imagine anyone reading it right through for pleasure.

The book might, in fact, more accurately be described as a chronicle than a history. It is divided into a total of 25 chapters, the early sections covering several years at a time and the latter ones - after the foundation of the Football League in the late 1880s, in particular - just a season each. Each chapter is then sub-divided into 10 or a dozen short sections, covering international games (England games only), FA Cup Finals, and other notable incidents of the season concerned. Once the League gets going, each First Division team gets a section of its own for every year, but - again - a side's progress through a given season is followed in rather a cursory manner. Gibbons gives endless lists of scores, but never contextualises, so we find out little more than the occasional scorer's name, and certainly nothing of the importance of the fixture or the main incidents of the game. Similarly, almost nothing is ever said about a team's manager, owners, star players, crowds, or its problems on or off the pitch; anecdote is all but absent, and important trends such as the professionalisation and unionisation of the game, changes in tactics or rules and so on are only covered spottily. All sense of excitement is, in short, sacrificed to an impotent 'completeness'.

It is, for example, hard to imagine even the keenest West Brom fan deriving much pleasure from an account of the team's 1897-8 season that reads (p.371)

'Albion opened the season with a 4-3 reverse at Aston Villa, with Higgins, McManus and McKenzie on target for the visitors, which preceded a 2-0 home success against Nottingham Forest with Ben Garfield netting a brace of goals. A 3-2 defeat at Derby County continued their indifferent start to the season, but a 2-0 home win against Stoke saw a return to winning ways...'

and goes on, in like manner, for a further page. It would surely have been better to have covered fewer games in more detail, and certainly to have made some reference to their actual importance in deciding championships or relegation battles.

It might, of course, be argued that Gibbons has done what he can with the material available. Early records certainly are lacking, and the chance to do what Lawrence Ritter did for baseball in the early 1960s by recording and editing the hugely entertaining player reminiscences that make up The Glory of Their Times was lost decades ago. There are newspaper reports, of course, but I am sufficiently a veteran of the close-printed, barely-headlined pages of the Victorian newspapers archived at Colindale to know what a large and thankless task it would be to scan even a representative sample of the material available for so long a period as that covered by this book - 1863 to 1900.

And yet, it can be done. Gibbons seems not to have read, and certainly does not use, the handful of biographies that do exist for this period. John Harding's excellent study of Billy Meredith, Peter Seddon's recent work on Derby Country great Steve Bloomer, and even Phil Vasili's eccentrically-organised yet deeply-researched book 'The First Black Footballer' (on Arthur Wharton, who kept goal for Preston and Rotherham in the early 1880s) contain more sense of history than this book. And, for all its narrow focus, Peter Stead's 'For Club and Country: Welsh Football Greats' makes readers experience something of the rich personalities of early players such as Meredith and the immortal Leigh Richmond Roose in a way that Gibbons simply cannot.

'Association Football in Victorian England' is, then, only a stepping-stone to a book that still needs to be written - one that places the scorelines that form the central plank of Gibbons's work in their proper context, and explains how and why football developed as it did. There would be room in such an ideal work for personality, incident and humour too. But, yes, it would be a brave and industrious man who actually sat down and wrote it.

So many questions remain. What made the Preston North End team of 1888 invincible? How on earth did Bloomer - an inside right - score so many goals? To what extent was Jack Robinson, of Derby, New Brighton and Southampton, the first truly modern goalkeeper? How did the dribbling game of the 1870s come to be superseded by the 'combination' (passing) game of later years, and what did early fans think of the change? What, exactly were the apparently endless 'prior commitments' that kept the famous Meridian Brothers, AM and PM Walters, out of the England defence on so many occasions in the early 1880s? And did the legendary G.O. Smith, the game's first great centre forward, really refuse, as a matter of principle and breeding, ever to head the ball? Sadly, you won't find the answers here.

Was this review helpful to you?
1.0 out of 5 stars Worst book ever! 5 Sep 2008
The era of victorian football is full of charactersand stories. It is by far one of the most interesting and important periods in the games history.

This book is dire, useless, pointless, dissappointing, boring, bad, shocking, wasteful, boring, tiresome, mind-numbing, and dissappointing.

What a total waste of time in writint this, publishing it, selling it and others reading it. Such an interesting period in football history reduced to the most uninteresting book written on the subject.

I've studied victorian football for nearly 20 years. This is the worst book I have ever had the missfortune to encounter. Do not buy this. Please do not bu this?

Buy the reprint of the frederick wall book instead.
Comment | 
Was this review helpful to you?
1.0 out of 5 stars The Dullest Book Ever? 5 July 2006
The sub-title of this book is "A History of the Game from 1863 to 1900".It is arranged in chronological order, with most chapters covering one season

How to describe this quite unique book? You'll have bought a programme ("match day magazine") at a football game so you'll have seen the page where the team's results and players' appearances and goal-scoring record for that season are included in a table. Imagine you gave that page to someone who had never seen your team play and had no feel for your club and you told them they had to give a five minute chronological account of the season. The result would look very much like this book: 466 pages of the most turgid, lifeless prose imaginable. Imagine the priest with the really boring voice from "Father Ted" reading the football results. It is football history turned into train-spotting. Reading the telephone directory would be as interesting.

This could have been a reasonably useful reference book, giving an overview of the "complete record" series of books on individual clubs for the years covered. The text actually makes it less than that because it actually makes it more difficult to look things up than in a series of tables.

The copy I have in front of me says £27.99 on the back. Amazon is currently advertising it for £16.14. I paid my library 30p to cover their costs of getting it on inter-library loan and I feel hard-done-by. Please read the other excellent review on the Amazon website which is more elegant and scholarly than mine and save your money.
Comment | 
Was this review helpful to you?
Would you like to see more reviews about this item?
Was this review helpful?   Let us know
Search Customer Reviews
Only search this product's reviews

Customer Discussions

This product's forum
Discussion Replies Latest Post
No discussions yet

Ask questions, Share opinions, Gain insight
Start a new discussion
Topic:
First post:
Prompts for sign-in
 

Search Customer Discussions
Search all Amazon discussions
   


Listmania!

Create a Listmania! list

Look for similar items by category


Feedback


Amazon.co.uk Privacy Statement Amazon.co.uk Delivery Information Amazon.co.uk Returns & Exchanges